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S Spencer's John Chapter 1 comment on 10/11/2021, 7:07pm...

Brother Ronald.

Part 2.

As I mentioned I don't believe Adam would have been driven out of the Garden to keep him from eating of the tree of life because that life would have abided in him. And there would have been no need of a sacrifice or penalty of sin.

Hebrews 10:14-22. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

HAVING THEREFORE, BRETHERN, BOLDNESS TO ENTER INTO THE HOLIEST BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS,

By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

And having an high priest over the house of God;

LET US DRAW NEAR WITH A TRUE HEARTH IN ASSURENCE OF FAITH, HAVING OUR HEARTS SPRINKLED FROM AN EVIL CONSCIENCE, and our bodies washed with pure water.

The spirit now dwells in us only by the blood of Christ cleansing of the temple. " 1 Corinthians 3:16. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

Therefore we have boldness to enter into Gods presence and so would have Adam "if" Gods spirit dwelled in him. He would have never been moved out of the Garden because of 1 John 3:9.

Here is the difference between the 2 Adams- 1 Corinthians 15:45-50.

Verse 45- And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a

( quickening spirit.) "Life giving spirit." Whether Adam sinned or not he could never give life.

Verse 46- Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. We also inherit that which is natural not because Adam sinned, " Because he was a living soul. So is our 1st birth.

GBU.

 


S Spencer's John Chapter 1 comment on 10/11/2021, 6:24pm...

Hi Brother Ronald.

Part 1.

I would like to give my belief on whether a person can be saved if he does not hold the belief that Jesus is God.

I believe there is levels in areas in which the spirit grows a person. for example a person can be well versed and lack discernment, everyone is not gifted in all areas, But only God knows at this point. I believe the fruit in a believers life such as Love and humility ect. is going to be present in a believers life, and it will definitely be absent in a professing Christian. We've seen that often in debates.

Just because a "person" believe in the trinity that does not make him a Christian so to believe otherwise does not disqualify you, I don't believe Life given by the spirit is given by this doctrine. But I do hold this doctrine to be true and scriptural and though it is not required to "get' saved, once saved, in due time it will be revealed by the spirit.

I believe an important question is what means "are" we saved. A work "of God" through faith in Christ confirmed by the fruit in our life, or a work or belief system 'we' hold?

You don't hold to the trinity doctrine but atleast from my point of view you seem to be very fruitful so I would claim you as a brother. I elected to sit this one out but I do have a question.

You stated: " when the first Adam sinned "God could no longer dwell in man." Jesus, the last Adam, on the cross repaired what the first Adam did, God can again abode/dwell in man. In Jesus through the Holy Spirit God dwells in us, now God is with us. End quote.

I don't hold the view that God ever dwelled "IN" Man until Christ was resurrected. Are you saying God dwelled in the 1st Adam? 1 John 3:9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I dont believe Adam would have been driven out of the Garden to keep him from eating of the tree of life because that life would have abided in him.

Part 2 coming.

 


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