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Richard in Christ's 1 Timothy Chapter 4 comment about verse 14 on 1/23/2021, 4:43pm...

Dear Eilot,

I Also don't understand where you get this from in the Bible. The first instance of anyone receiving the Holy Spirit(before Pentacost in Acts 2, which came from a mighty wind) is the risen Jesus at the end of the book of John. When He breathed on His disciples and said "Receive ye the Holy Ghost".

Also Jesus never told His disciples, or anyone, they had to do anything to others for them to receive the Holy Spirit. The Lord reads hearts and knows who is ready to receive the Holy Ghost.

As Chris elaborated about the laying on of hands. Jesus Christ is the only one who gives the Holy Spirit. I understand there may be some people in the world who say they have the Holy Ghost and maybe not. Through experience I knew something happened to me after giving my life to the Lord. As my entire life changed from the inside out. If someone doesn't think I have been blessed with the Holy Ghost that's fine. That does not change the truth. No person laid their hands on me to receive this gift from above.

All praise and glory be to our Father in Heaven through Jesus Christ our Lord.

God Bless you.


Chris's 1 Timothy Chapter 4 comment about verse 14 on 1/23/2021, 3:23pm...

If you could cite some proofs of what you have said, "the only way to receive the holy spirit is from a true minister in God's true church,( the church Jesus started), with submersion and the laying on of hands."

I know that the apostles received the Holy Spirit when the Spirit came upon them on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2), & the apostles were instrumental in imparting the Spirit through the laying on of hands as the early Church was being formed, but where do we find that subsequent to this apostolic agency, the laying of hands ever imparted the Spirit?

We do have Scriptures as 1 Timothy 4:14 (gift given via the presbytery, which was not the gift of the Spirit) but do we ever see the Holy Spirit being imparted through the agency of men (aside from the establishing of the Church via the apostles)?

If you do believe that the Spirit can only be received from "a true minister in God's True Church", then from where did that minister receive the gift? Should not a full examination be done on him to ensure that he is capable of imparting the Spirit? Of course, we would have to go to every person before that minister to ensure that there was no failure by anyone in receiving the Holy Spirit. Therefore, we would have to go all the way back to the apostles to ensure this fact, thereby making the Church minister qualified to do so.

Or, what features have to be evident before a person becomes a "true minister"? If it's the evidence of the Holy Spirit, then could not somebody (maybe, a nobody) sitting quietly in the pews, also come forward to administer this gift?

I ask these questions simply to query such a statement that you've made. I believe that the laying on of hands by the elders (minister) is not for imparting the Holy Spirit but for identification & confirmation of a believer's position in the Church or being sent out to minister. And that only the apostles had that authority & enabling to do so - no one else.


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