S Spencer's 2 Timothy Chapter 3 comment on 10/03/2021, 5:42pm...
Hi Brother Jon.
2 Timothy 3:16-17. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
I believe we can trust Godly wisdom and being led by the spirit above psychology or philosophy or any other worldly wisdom. I believe as we grow in the spirit we become wiser in the Lord and he guides our foot steps in our spiritual walk and change our desires in the secular as well.
If psychology or philosophy have something positive for us I believe God will reveal that to us by his spirit that dwells in us. We do know God gives us a spirit of discernment.
1 Corinthians 12:10. To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another "discerning of spirits;" to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
And we know that "ALL THINGS" work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
God bless.
Jon's 2 Timothy Chapter 3 comment on 10/02/2021, 3:44pm...
Hi Dan, thanks for your comments. Please know that my response is given in love with my only intention to glorify the Lord.
I understand what you are saying about not turning down service providers based on if they are believers or not, I certainly would not turn down bypass surgery or roof repair because the provider was not a believer; however, those services are quite different than "spiritual" or "mind" service providers. Heart surgery or roof repair is not doctrine or the word of God and has nothing to do with salvation or living a Godly life or solving behavioral (heart) problems (Jeremiah 17:9, Mark 7:20-23).
When it comes to obeying the Lord and following His word, psychology just seems to be a secular (and ungodly) look at behavior. It is an attempt to explain why we do things and what the solution is without referring to God and His word. Psychology is an invention from worldly men who denied Jesus Christ (people like Freud, Wundt, Jung, Skinner, etc). Some psychologists even merge the word of God and secular theory which seems unbiblical to me (we are to be set apart from this world - John 15:19, Romans 12:1-3, 1 John 2:15-17).
I guess what I am really asking is - to put it how you were phrasing it - if someone was 'sick' (spiritually) why would they go to a secular physician (psychologist) and not a spiritual physician (Jesus)? We even have a behavioral manual (the Word). The bible seems to continually say that the Lord and His word are sufficient, exactly what we need and that we should avoid the wisdom of men (2 Timothy 2:15-16, 2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 2:25, Hebrews 4:14-16, Isaiah 55:7-9). 1 Corinthians 2:11-16. When we become a Christian, we have the mind of Christ, which is spiritual - not worldly. Jesus is our counselor (Isaiah 9:6) and he knows us (John 2:25).
It seems that as a Christian we either believe that the word of God is sufficient for all spiritual problems or we don't.
BTW - this is not for me, it involves a family member.
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S Spencer's 2 Timothy Chapter 3 comment on 10/03/2021, 5:42pm...
Hi Brother Jon.
2 Timothy 3:16-17. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
I believe we can trust Godly wisdom and being led by the spirit above psychology or philosophy or any other worldly wisdom. I believe as we grow in the spirit we become wiser in the Lord and he guides our foot steps in our spiritual walk and change our desires in the secular as well.
If psychology or philosophy have something positive for us I believe God will reveal that to us by his spirit that dwells in us. We do know God gives us a spirit of discernment.
1 Corinthians 12:10. To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another "discerning of spirits;" to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
And we know that "ALL THINGS" work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
God bless.
Jon's 2 Timothy Chapter 3 comment on 10/02/2021, 3:44pm...
Hi Dan, thanks for your comments. Please know that my response is given in love with my only intention to glorify the Lord.
I understand what you are saying about not turning down service providers based on if they are believers or not, I certainly would not turn down bypass surgery or roof repair because the provider was not a believer; however, those services are quite different than "spiritual" or "mind" service providers. Heart surgery or roof repair is not doctrine or the word of God and has nothing to do with salvation or living a Godly life or solving behavioral (heart) problems (Jeremiah 17:9, Mark 7:20-23).
When it comes to obeying the Lord and following His word, psychology just seems to be a secular (and ungodly) look at behavior. It is an attempt to explain why we do things and what the solution is without referring to God and His word. Psychology is an invention from worldly men who denied Jesus Christ (people like Freud, Wundt, Jung, Skinner, etc). Some psychologists even merge the word of God and secular theory which seems unbiblical to me (we are to be set apart from this world - John 15:19, Romans 12:1-3, 1 John 2:15-17).
I guess what I am really asking is - to put it how you were phrasing it - if someone was 'sick' (spiritually) why would they go to a secular physician (psychologist) and not a spiritual physician (Jesus)? We even have a behavioral manual (the Word). The bible seems to continually say that the Lord and His word are sufficient, exactly what we need and that we should avoid the wisdom of men (2 Timothy 2:15-16, 2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 2:25, Hebrews 4:14-16, Isaiah 55:7-9). 1 Corinthians 2:11-16. When we become a Christian, we have the mind of Christ, which is spiritual - not worldly. Jesus is our counselor (Isaiah 9:6) and he knows us (John 2:25).
It seems that as a Christian we either believe that the word of God is sufficient for all spiritual problems or we don't.
BTW - this is not for me, it involves a family member.
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