“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:”
King James Version (KJV)
Lauren's comment on 2021-07-18 04:40:25:
Earl, I was very much inspired and rejoiced at your comment in this thread. Praise God for that truth ..... Thank you!
What an amazing revelation: in Christ, I receive everything from the hand of God.... nothing from the hand of man.... This is freedom.
Bob's comment on 2021-07-16 08:49:03:
The word of God will not return void . If only 1 is persuaded then all is not lost . :)
sacha's comment on 2021-07-16 02:22:56:
Hi Bob , have you ever heard the saying "banging your head against a brick wall " I tried for a while but gave up quite quickly , people will believe what they want to believe , there are a few of us on here who know what you are talking about but we learned to keep our mouths shut , after all the majority is usually in the right are they not ?
Bob's comment on 2021-07-15 20:57:09:
I said THE Son of God , not a son of God .
If you asked God who is Jesus what would he say ?
The answer is found in Matthew 17 v 5
" This is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased ; hear him .
I have yet met a man that even thinks he knows more than God . Case is closed .
Earl Bowman's comment on 2021-07-15 06:23:24:
Brother Bob, my CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Your comment: All that Jesus received was from the Father. That makes him the Son of God.
MORE TRUTH: Everything You receive is from the Father. That makes you a son of God.
1 Corinthians 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what has thou that thou didst not receive? and if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hast not received it?
TRUTH will set you free!
Bob's comment on 2021-07-14 21:50:45:
All that Jesus received was from his Father . That makes him the Son of God .
Tom's comment on 2021-04-15 16:29:35:
You have a valid point , if the real Jesus is denied , just who are they believing in ? Will he deliver them ?
If anyone's Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible then they might as well be praying to a rock .
Tom's comment on 2021-04-15 16:26:14:
Yes there was a little town of Bethlehem!
Jesus is inherently God , and Gods son .
I hope this helps .
It's all in the Bible to those that have ears !
Ron's comment on 2021-04-15 10:33:20:
Hey Tom, I'm not sure of the reward you say for obedience but here's a few of my thoughts and some scripture, in respect to all who have replied.
1John.2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus called His Father His God. No one can deny the divinity of Jesus, the demons in scripture even knew who he was "the Son of the Most High". The Son was with the Father before the world because through the Son all was created. There is not any scripture that says how the Son began only He was the beginning of creation. The word Godhead is in the Bible 3 times "theots" meaning deity, divinity, "Theion" meaning Devine Being, both can be said of God and the Son of God without saying they are both God.
God bless us, Ron
Tom's comment on 2021-04-15 07:26:20:
Jesus did the work the father sent him to do , undeniable, so is there reward for doing good in obedience to the father ? Yes of course . Did he earn it ? Yes of course his reward that is .
A few verses I read this morning as I opened the bible at random .
Malachi 2.10 Have we not all one father ? Hath not one God created us ? ....
Malachi 3 . 6
For I am the Lord , I change not ; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed .
These verses certainly apply today , as sure as the Lord is whom he says He is !
I Bow to the Great I am and his son the Lord Jesus ! His word endures for ever ! Amen ...
Jesse's comment on 2021-04-14 19:57:01:
Jesus is quite worthy of praise, honor, and glory. I think we would both agree to that. However, I'm not too sure that Jesus had to earn His position. I don't believe scripture backs up the idea of Christ having to earn anything. How the creator of the entire universe would have to earn His position would be hard for me to grasp.
Thank you also for sharing your thoughts!
S Spencer's comment on 2021-04-14 19:53:25:
Do you mind If I humor you abit?
Do Christ have an actual birthday?
I'm sure that sounds silly because the scripture is clear he has no beginning,
How do you define a father and son relationship "Biologically"?
No doubt the father existed before his son, there's not way we can comprehend any other way, this is natural!
Now do we view God the father and Christ the son in the same biological way? NO! and that's unnatural.
God "IS" Everlasting and Jesus came out of the bosom of Everlasting.
When you make your argument you make it from an biological/natural point of view when their relationship is not biological or natural.
When you see father and son you comprehend that from the creatures stand point.
But when you see Jesus mentions the Father and son he says me and the father are One and if you seen me you seen the father, He says that from the Duel Creator standpoint
You're trying to grasp that Biologically but you can't because Father AND the Son is Everlasting!
Apart from what's given from that,
is what the scripture says directly.
Isaiah 9:6. The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, (the Almighty) "Look up the all mighty in the greek"
Malachi 2:17. Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?
Malachi 3:1. Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
YOU CANT LOOK THE OTHER WAY AS IF THESE VERSES DON'T EXIST. YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THEM.
TELL ME HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THEM???
AND THERE IS MANY MORE.
Carleton's comment on 2021-04-14 16:46:09:
There were Christian believers from times past that left this confession of faith in 1632.
"We also believe and confess that before His ascension, He instituted His New Testament, and, since it was to be and remain an eternal Testament, that, He confirmed and sealed the same with His precious blood, and gave and left it to His disciples, yea, charged them so highly with it, that neither angel nor man may alter it, nor add to it, nor take away from it; and that He has caused the same, as containing the whole counsel and will of His heavenly Father, as necessary for salvation, to be proclaimed in His name by His beloved apostles, messengers, and ministers- whom He called, chose, and sent into all the world for that purpose- among all peoples, nations, and tongues, and repentance and remission of sins to be preached and testified of; and that he accordingly has therein declared all men without distinction, who through faith, as obedient children, heed, follow, and practice what the same contains, to be His children, and lawful heirs; this excluding no one from the precious inheritance of eternal salvation, except for the un-believing, and disobedient, the stiff-necked and obdurate, who despise it, and incur this through their own sins, thus making themselves unworthy of eternal life." Jeremiah 31:31 Hebrews 9:15-17 Matthew 26:28 Galatians 1:8 1 Timothy 6:3
Tom's comment on 2021-04-14 15:56:18:
Yes Jesus inherited from the father as an obedient first son .
Not only was Jesus born of the father , but he earned the position by his completing the work The father sent him to do !
Jesus is so worthy of his highest position as Lord of lords and king of kings ! Awesome !! And only he could have done it , all the glory to God whom made it possible. We can only scratch the surface of this immeasurable work of salvation that was Gods plan and Jesus wonderful accomplishment. Thanks for the thoughts on this worthy subject , PTL ! When we can comprehend some of this it should cause us to worship , and never stop , so worth pondering dear reader .
sacha's comment on 2021-04-14 15:53:56:
Tom ,im with you there and despite what you might read on here ,we are not alone ,stay strong and joyfull in Christ ,the Son of God and our sinless redeemer ,Christ is coming !
Carleton's comment on 2021-04-14 12:34:25:
Hello Tom, So true there are very many Scriptures where God communicates with His people His will and he refers to Himself as the Lord and God singularly to them and stands before their enemies and says the same. God here reveals two truths He loves His people in the flesh and He is Holy and not approachable by man in the flesh. Yet He wants to lead them by the law to repentance in His Son revealed by the prophets, later as a babe, then as His beloved Son, and finally as a crucified Savior. This aspect of God is his Mercy which is Jesus Christ. This part of God covered the law where God could approach man in the flesh and even after Calvary dwell in His people in the flesh as the Holy Ghost, another aspect of God. Three parts of God and three stages of salvation which is life everlasting.
Jesse's comment on 2021-04-14 12:05:08:
Yes, there is one God, I agree. And He is unchanging, I agree. I also know that Jesus Christ is the HUIOS, the inheritor of all things from the Father, and Jesus is the head over all things to the church as given to us in Ephesians 1:22. Once Christ ascended up into His position, all things are now put under the feet of Christ, and all must answer to Christ. Now concerning His headship, it says "And gave Him to be the head over all things with respect to the church."
So it is right to say that God is head over all, and that Jesus Christ is head over all because Jesus Christ is the Huios of God, the one who was in position to inherit all things from the Father. And Jesus is now the head over all things because He is God the Son, and the Son has inherited all things from the Father!
Tom's comment on 2021-04-14 11:27:21:
Adam read the Old Testament when God the I am that I spoke often about how He is God alone . Many times throughout . You must keep that in context when reading the New Testament or you will be confused , it seems to contradict in the new , but God never changes . That we know for certain .
Tom's comment on 2021-04-14 11:05:12:
I believe that God is head over all and singular , making him the unchanging creator as he said many times in the KJV .
Carleton's comment on 2021-04-14 09:55:09:
Thank you for the scriptures brother Adam, here at work I could only think of verses which are confirmed by the Comforter in our hearts, even this day.
Keep the faith!