“Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.”
King James Version (KJV)
Free's comment on 2021-09-16 23:36:55:
Hallo dear friend Earl Bowman in Jesus, for sure you are right. Thank you for reminding me i'll will begin today. Bless u in Jesus name, love i in Christ.
Dgjot's comment on 2021-09-16 08:14:56:
Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
I SAID, (I'm quoting myself here) "I wasn't the one that said "The Bible seems to contradict itself sometimes......"
I was replying to Donna Pittman."
Earl Bowman's comment on 2021-09-16 05:52:55:
Free, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
To truly understand the Kingdom of God you need to spend a good portion of you study in the Law and Prophets of the Old Testament.
Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they HEAR NOT MOSES and PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him (Paul) a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the KINGDOM OF GOD, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Free's comment on 2021-09-15 21:34:04:
Hallo all, sometimes we all have questions. i read the werry first beginning as follow. And this thread seams to forget that Adam had a work too do in Eden the garden. He was a guard, and supposed to help God who Self was in the garden from time to time. This is reality.
And Adam and Eva was the first ppl in Jewish history and Jesus family tree. Jesus come for 2021 years ago. Adam and Eve was much far from 2000 years ago. Maybe 6000 years or soo. I gess the numbers of years stand more specific in Jews scripts and note's the exact time.
Please tell me if its wrong? I dont dwells in old testament too much. i have read it and have some good experience for how the God Word lives and work.
Joshua is my favorites and Jonah have a point when he is angry! God bless u all in Christ.
David's comment on 2021-09-15 15:21:19:
Dgjot I read all human life came from Adam and Eve and there is a reason the genealogy of Adam and the genealogy of cain are given.
Adam's comment on 2021-09-15 08:43:31:
Hello, you started a new comment thread and began with "The Bible seems to contradict itself sometimes." and people responded accordingly. If that's not what you believe, you might need to make that more obvious.
Dgjot's comment on 2021-09-15 06:54:03:
To David and Adam from Dgjot:
I wasn't the one that said "The Bible seems to contradict itself sometimes......"
I was replying to Donna Pittman.
Keep in mind that in the Bible, things aren't always as cut and dried as they seem.
(eg. Jesus talked in parables and then had to explain to his disciples what they meant.)
For over 2000 years, godly men have studied, studied, studied the scriptures. They wrote books & commentaries and explained things we wouldn't have noticed or understood. Right? I'm no Bible scholar but I've read some of those books/commentaries or listened to Bible teachers. In the Bible, things aren't always as cut and dried as they seem.
(Like in Revelation 12:3 where it talks about, "a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads." C'mon man. It's not an actual dragon. It's symbolic of a political system, or something.)
Regarding Eve: Genesis 3:13 "And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."
Beguiled = wholly seduced. There's a good chance Eve was already pregnant with Cain when "Adam knew her".
More than likely, Cain was the offspring of Satan and Eve. By murdering his brother Abel, he did HIS FATHER'S bidding.
Abel was the offspring of Adam and Eve, as was Seth. Abel was murdered and God replaced him with Seth.
Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."
That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone "living" came strictly from Adam and Eve. Since all the great men of the bible came from Seth's bloodline, including Jesus- "all living" could mean "Spiritually" living. As opposed to the Spiritually dead like Cain.
I know this all sounds insane but there's a chance there might be a grain of truth in it.
David's comment on 2021-09-15 06:52:47:
Dgjot Miracles did not stop with the apostles, I have had several in my life including healing.
Adam's comment on 2021-09-14 17:16:00:
There's no contradiction. Only human reason contradicts itself. You weren't specific in why you assume 2 people can't populate the earth? Is it because you're looking for an explanation for other races, cultures, and geographical distribution? In the event that is your hang up, that is explained by the Tower of Babel, where God specifically mixed people's language and scattered them throughout the Earth. It's my belief that he changed their races also, and that it just didn't happen to say that. For example, Chinese in China, Indians in India, Hawaiians in Hawaii, etc. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/tower-of-babel_bible/
Mishael's comment on 2021-09-14 16:51:49:
The Bible says that Adam and Eve had many more children After Seth was born. It's easily missed. I learned to make myself read Genesis real slow. I guess 3rd cousins could've married first cousins etc.
Sometimes reading the genealogy charts is helpful. Actual charts/maps can be viewed on google. Pick one that's Christian.
David's comment on 2021-09-14 15:29:15:
Dgjot God has never in his word contradicted himself, his word is true and pure Psalm 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words as silver tried in a furnace of earth purified seven times and perfect now not understood is entirely different.
Dgjot's comment on 2021-09-14 08:43:32:
Donna Pittman on 1 Timothy 5:
"Why would the Bible tell someone to drink wine when strong drink is a mocker . Are they talking about grape juice or wine that swirls in the glass?"
Try to understand. When Jesus was born, God had sent His only begotten Son to die for our sins so that we could be reconciled to God.
Jesus was 33 yrs old when He started His ministry. Jesus's first miracle was to turn water into wine. After that the miracles happened more often: the sick were healed, he fed the multitudes with a few loaves of bread and a few fishes, the blind got their sight, the lame walked, demons were cast out, and the dead were brought back to life.
Jesus gave His disciples the authority to preform those same miracles in His name. (Luke 10:1-20)
When Jesus was crucified and died, and buried, and God raised Him from the dead, and Jesus ascended into Heaven-
His disciples continued on preaching the Gospel of Jesus, and preforming miracles (like healing the sick) until the day when they died.
HOWEVER, the time of miracles was a one time historical event. The miracles were Jesus's credentials that proved He is the Son of God and that God had sent Him.
The miracles ceased when the last original Apostle died. (I think John was the last.)
The Apostle Paul who, wasn't one of the original Apostles was specifically chosen by God to preach the Gospel of Christ to the Gentiles. (Hence, Jesus appeared to Paul on the Damascus road.) When you read the Pauline Epistles you think they were written one after another. When in reality, months or years passed between letters. Paul was a very old man by the time he had written his letters to Timothy. The age of miracles had ceased to where Paul (or Timothy or any other of the other disciples) couldn't heal anyone. So he told Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach's sake. (the wine helped kill the bacteria that was causing Timothy stomach problems.)
An occasional glass of wine is okay. Alcoholism is not.
Dgjot's comment on 2021-09-14 08:12:27:
Donna Pittman on 1 Timothy 5:
"The Bible seems to contradict itself sometimes. I don't understand how the world was populated by only 2 people. Where did the people come from that Able was scared would find him and kill him when he was sent into the land of nod. Incest is a sin so who had those people?. I also don't understand how we were made in Gods image when It says God is a spirit. I need help."
The world wasn't populated by just two people. God created all the races on the 6th day. Genesis 1:26-31
(I don't understand why people disregard this and think Adam and Eve were the only two people on the planet.)
God rested on the 7th day.
On the "8th" day God noticed that all the people were just hunters and gatherers. Nobody farmed the land.
So he created Adam, then Eve. After they "ate the apple" God cast them out of the garden He created for them and they had to till the earth. Eve gave birth to Cain who tilled the land. Then Abel who tended the sheep. Cain killed Abel so God drove him away and he went and married one of the 6th-DayCreation women. By that time the 6th-Day-Creation people had multiplied greatly and there were thousands of them.
Then Eve had another son named Seth. It was from Seth's bloodline that all the greats came (Noah, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the Prophets and finally Jesus.)
And, it was Cain (not Abel) that God sent to the land of Nod, who married and had children. Genesis 4:16-17
God set a mark upon Cain so that people would not kill him.
(What the "mark" is, is a hot subject to debate.)
Jesse's comment on 2020-04-30 15:39:09:
Bob, are you asking about 1 Timothy 5:12?
That verse has to be taken in context beginning at Verse 3 and going to Verse 16. It is Paul's instruction concerning widows in the church. There is a lot of information in these verses, and we would take those verses in context to understand Verse 12.
Verse 12 says "Having damnation, literally judgment, because they have cast off their first faith. In context, I think what Paul is saying in this chapter is that all people, husbands and wives, they are stuck in a situation where they must either please the wife, please the husband, or please the Lord. It's like what if we know what the Lord wants us to do, but we can't because the other person says "If you do that, I'll throw this lamp and hit you over the head with it!" What do you do?
As far as carnal goes, do you know that a believer can be carnal and it be perfectly normal? There is a normal carnal, and an abnormal carnal that can be applied to a believer in Christ. And since I don't believe salvation can be lost, I would have to say no to your question of them losing their salvation.
Bob Duke's comment on 2020-04-30 04:45:43:
Do these early church members lose their salvation by yielding to carnal ways?