“Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.”
King James Version (KJV)
Hadassah's comment on 2023-11-22 09:12:25:
Hello Theodorse,
Yes. Also, a supplemental informational resource is Josephus, History of the Jews.
I want to add that many modern Bible translations have omitted things or altered things. So that's another unfortunate aspect to be concerned about.
If you lay the KJV alongside the NIV or ESV, there are many many differences. If the Catholic Church is behind it, then perhaps they are altering stuff to make their doctrine fit.
bennymkje's comment on 2023-11-22 02:07:00:
D aear Theodorse,
KJV is good since we feel the Spirit throwing light on the passages as equally I have been illumined many times while reading the Bible ages ago in the vernacular. I believe we confuse the Scripture being God breathed, somewhat like Mary confused the risen Christ for a gardener or somebody else. But when she heard his voice, she knew instantly her Master's voice. The word of God works with a believer not because of original MS or it is in KJV but it connects with heart a spiritual space. St Paul speaks how the Spirit helps with our infirmities in Ro.8. It is equally true with reading. Thy word is truth and it is how it speaks to man. Jesus Chrisst the same yesterday, today and forever. In John 2o Mary, "she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus." But the voice of the Word is eternal. "Jesus saith unto her, Mary." Instantly she recognized the Word become flesh. There is a difference between the man and the word become flesh. Similarly there is a difference between literal approach and letting the Spirit illumine our reading.
What is 'perfect' and should there be a controversy over it. God is perfect and it is holiness of God. Human intellect make nonsense in explaining it. God commands us, 'Be ye holy, for I am holy'. Without 'grace' it would not be possible. Truth and grace came by Jesus Christ. Perfection is rounded off in our abiding life by our Redeemer Lord as St Paul confesses to the 'power of Christ in me' (2 Co.12:9).
Chris's comment on 2023-11-22 00:46:23:
Thank you for sharing that Brother Michael Dorsey. I do agree with what you have written, & especially noted, "The only perfect translation You are going to find is to have the Original Manuscripts". I too have used Bible Hub for years, mainly for its Hebrew & Greek Lexicons & found it to be very good & useful in better understanding words (especially those debatable ones) giving me a fuller understanding of the passage. However, one Greek brother who comes on here sometimes, did check me on what I had once written to someone (when giving a meaning of a word). He said that in Greek, my advice given was incorrect & he went further to do research on why that word was used. Apparently, it wasn't taken from the Greek text as given in the Textus Receptus, but from another source. So I say this, as one may need to take care, seeing that Bible Hub doesn't necessarily use the TR/KJB as the source material for publishing its Greek words.
And even here on this Site, a little while ago there has been debate on the word 'perfect', as found in e.g. Matthew 5:48, Matthew 19:21, 1 Corinthians 2:6. This word 'perfect' has been used by some here to denote, 'sinlessness', that we have to be, or even now, are sinless. Not sure of your position on this, but reading the Greek, 'teleios', seems to indicate more towards 'completeness, full-grown, mature'. Now in Matthew 5:48 we have a problem, we see that Jesus gives the command, to "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." So, clearly the absolute perfection that our Father fully has within Himself, cannot be the same that we need to have/strive for on Earth: that is, not towards sinlessness, but towards maturity & completeness. So, I share this just to show how important the original languages are to assist us in understanding God's Word, and especially the KJB (17th Century) which uses language & expressions that sometimes are quite foreign to us here in the 21st Century.
thedorse's comment on 2023-11-21 20:21:13:
As a Minister I often refer to Bible Hub. I Preach out of the King James Version. But People need to understand this . It is not a perfect translation. The only perfect translation You are going to find is to have the Original Manuscripts. And be able to read Greek, Latin and Hebrew of the Ancient World. I find that the other Interpretations shed more light on the Verse without getting crazy out far from the meaning. I would recommend Anyone to Read and learn from the KJV. But as I've said the Bible Hub shows the same verse worded differently in several Interpretations. I use the descriptions of these in my explanation of breaking down the KJV. For those struggling to understand or a New Convert . There is no shame in using all the material available today to learn. If You are sincere God is going to show You how and what to follow when confusion arises. My Father in Law who passed away in 2000 . I was Saved under His Ministry. He had books and Materials by Men that were not particularly in His Christian wheelhouse so to speak. But He always said, You take Their Knowledge and You use it because They are smart Men. You are still going to believe what You believe. I think there is such a Stigma or Shame put on People if They don't go to anything but the KJV. I believe God gave it to Us . I believe it to be the Preferred Choice of Text. But I also believe People should be open to learning. It wasn't until the KJV was published that Man even really knew about Scripture. And this goes back to Moses and the Law . By keeping Man in the dark it allowed Others to hold Power over Them. Ezra built a Homemade Pulpit and taught the People and They asked Questions for the first time EVER and actually cried at hearing The Word of God. Jesus tore down The Elitist System some 2000 years ago of Pharisees and Manmade Sway . We don't need to Rebuild it again. But as soon as Christ got out of sight at Bethany. Man was already busy becoming Man again.
Reverend Michael Ray Dorsey
Almad's comment on 2021-07-03 17:10:01:
Thank you for the answer. I see that I misspelled "whose."
Clueless in Austin Texas's comment on 2021-07-02 22:50:57:
Jesse, believe it or not, that's the first time I ever said that to someone.
Someone had just sorta rebuked me for mentioning dogs. I was hungry, tired and just wanted to go... and my flesh ruined a perfectly good day.
Thanks for the teaching tho' cause I really didn't know what it meant.
I had the JW's come by my door. I would nicely disagree when they wanted to read the brochure to me, and I worked my testimony in other times. It went on a few months. I knew they thought they had me straddling the middle. I had to say my decision for Jesus was firm. Then I said after the Rapture they could still receive Jesus as their Savior...they might die for it, but at least they'd be received into heaven. They're very sweet, but very much blinded as are some Jews in Israel.
My sweet tea and corn muffins failed.
Thank you, Dear Friend
Jesse's comment on 2021-07-02 21:48:12:
Hello Mishael,
If I may share with you what I've learned about the phrase "God Speed." It is only used in Second John verses 10-11 as far as I know. Now in second John, it talks about deceivers and false teachers that were corrupting the church.
It says in Verse 9 that whosoever transgresses, and abides not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God, Does not have God! A person is called a transgressor that's going beyond. The Gnostics went beyond the teachings of Jesus Christ, or the doctrine of Christ.
And they went beyond the teachings of the apostles. They did not remain in the doctrine of Christ, but they went in another direction. And John says they do not have God. And then it says "He that abides, and that's a Present Participle, meaning the one who is abiding continuously in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son. Uh oh! The Gnostics don't believe the Father and the Son go together, or as one. Here we go again!
But as far as this phrase "God Speed," it means do not speak greetings. If someone comes knocking on your door trying to share the "gospel" with you, and you know it is false, you are not to let them in your home.
Verse 11 gives us the reason. It says, "For he that bids him God speed, or greetings, is partaker of his evil deeds." That sounds pretty harsh and we might ask how is that showing love? But if love is not associated with the truth, it is not God's love, and we're deceiving ourselves.
So if someone comes to my door and is bringing false doctrine, I can't even say "Good luck." I can't even say "Greetings anyway." Some people would do that and say I can't let you in my house because of your false doctrine, and they feel really bad about it, and they at least say "God bless you today as you go on your journey!
John says even if you say that, you are a partaker of their evil work. The word partaker is the word KOINONIA which means fellowship. You're fellowshiping with their evil works. Now that's pretty heavy!
Mishael's comment on 2021-07-02 17:26:33:
Are you using a King James Bible?
I'm generally responding to other people's posts, which I enjoy very much. I don't care for controversy as a rule. I'm an old evangelist who can't seem to retire yet. I try to interest others to speak their faith to others while the Lord tarries a little more. I think that's what this forum is about. That, and just answering questions.
You learn stuff on the sidewalks of life. If I ran into you, I would think you are not ready to hear the Good News.
I've been fasting all day, the sun is setting and I'm off to quiet the grumbling in my middle :D
My cat is holding a vigil over her bowl too. I will see everyone tomorrow. God speed. (I've never known what that really means, do you?
OSEAS's comment on 2021-07-02 13:37:51:
Ahmad
You asked: "What does "Who God is their belly" mean?"
It means glutton, guzzler, gourmand, guttler. Kind of people whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.
OSEAS's comment on 2021-07-02 13:18:40:
MISHAEL
Beware of dogs... Dogs? Who are them?
JESUS said: Revelation 22:v.12 and 15
12 Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
15 For without are DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
But who are these dogs among us? The answer is in Isaiah 56:v. 8-11
8 The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb DOGS, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are SHEPHERDS that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
And the TAIL of the red Dragon? Who are them?
The Word of GOD reveals who are them.
Dogs and False Prophets and Teachers's comment on 2021-07-02 12:38:42:
Philippians 3
In verse 18, Paul expressed his sorrow over the plight of unsaved false teachers. In this verse, he offers four descriptions regarding their behaviors.
First these false teachers are not simply Christians who misunderstood a portion of the gospel. These are unsaved individuals, rejecting the gospel itself, and who will experience destruction apart from faith in Christ.
Second, for false teachers, Paul notes their focus on greed. Many false teachers, then and now, seek money in order to make a profit (1 Timothy 6:5), rather that truly serving the Lord. In contrast to Christ-like believers, false teachers are more concerned with their own desires than the needs of other people (Romans 16:18).
Third, these false teachers call evil good, and promote sinful actions as being right. More than simply excusing sin, they celebrate it.
Fourth, the goal of false teachers is not on Christ and being with Him for eternity. In contrast with Paul's teachings, throughout chapter 3, their goal is on the here and now. Their only thought is what they can get out of life and other people-today.
Philippians 3:2, 3, 18, 19
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their BELLY, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.
Mishael: do not be deceived. We're living in the time period of the Great Falling Away (into apostasy). Your defense is to know what the Bible says, on what someone teaches you. Search it out yourself. Don't "eat" everything someone tosses out your way, until you verify the scriptures.
Bless those who ARE teaching truth. God will confirm it.
Mishael
Ahmad's comment on 2021-07-02 06:18:46:
What does "Who God is their belly" mean?
Rick Mentzer's comment on 2021-01-21 11:18:14:
Debra Take a look at 2 Timothy 25&26 also I Timothy 4:1-4 The same thing is still going on You confess Romans 10;9&10 to get born again of Gods Spirit baptism by water not needed.
Debra's comment on 2021-01-21 07:00:58:
What is the concision?
Rob's comment on 2020-11-03 07:48:02:
And the word is God .
Amen .
And we know Jesus is the Son of God not God . Amen .
Alex's comment on 2020-11-03 04:25:12:
Alex comments on the written word and the living word, Jesus said search the scriptures ( the written word ) in them you think you have eternal life but it is them that testify of ME WHICH IS THE H.G. the living WORD, REMEMBER he said the H.G. will testify of me, My words are Spirit and life but there is no eternal life in the scriptures the written word, doncha see that if eternal life were in the written word our lord shed his blood in vain and the cross was just foolishness. Jesus was the LIVING WORD made flesh and blood a Celestrial being not a terestrial being. I am not of this world you are of this world but i am not of this world you are from beneath i am from above he told the jews. The bible is precious and holy but there is no eternal life in paper and ink, eternal life is only in his blood which is the living we are made clean by his WORD OR HIS BLOOD. Natural Israel were sola scriptura but they stoned almost every prophet that God sent them and rejected the Christ so much for the written word,Mary was not impregnated by the written word but by the living word, Christ Jesus is the LIVING WORD made flesh and blood not the written word made FLESH and blood true Redemption can only come by his blood,Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world i love the bible but it cannot remove the sins of the world . That good seed is the living word not the written word. Its answers to the 2 lights the lesser light is the written word, But the greater light is the living word. But Jesus said if we walk in the nite light th lessser light we are gonna stumble rememeber David ok gbu
Encouraging Yourself's comment on 2020-11-02 10:56:34:
I encourage myself frequently by listening to Billy Graham conferences on Youtube.
He was the loudest voice in my generation.
He just heralded the Word, giving no heed to the nay-sayers. Thousands came forward in his meetings to be born again.
He never minced words or apologized, for the Word (who is Jesus), that he preached.
Jesus is bigger than all of our doubts. If the preacher isn't preaching Christ, then it's another gospel.
The gospel is the Virgin birth of Jesus Christ (Messiah);
His sinless life
His crucifixion on the Cross And death for all of mankind's sins
His glorious resurrection to life
If we know that much, then we know enough to help someone else be saved; born again. John 3 has all the info to learn.
Mishael
Rob's comment on 2020-11-01 17:34:04:
You need to remember this verse and memorize it !
Rob's comment on 2020-11-01 14:09:48:
What a fitting passage for new comers on this comment gallery!
julie's comment on 2014-05-19 07:19:40:
so, how do we apply this warning today? i see that in protestant churches, circumcision is replaced, disguised, as "formal membership ", or covenanting with a certain body of saints. it is a kind of cutting away, member nonmember. the nonmembers refusing to put any confidence in the flesh, even giving up the privileges attached to membership, to remain in the truth that it is christ who has made us members by the spirit, and there is no higher degree of membership to consign oneself to. but rather, faith expressed thru love.