“Esther had not shewed her people nor her kindred: for Mordecai had charged her that she should not shew it.”
King James Version (KJV)
S Spencer's comment on 2021-02-25 15:54:17:
Hi Mild Bill,
""I reject your thought that America is or ever was a Christian nation""
Bill You're going to Love this!!
I reject my thought that America is or ever was a Christian nation also!!
Guess why, I never thought that, In fact mever said it either. You would have to go back maybe a week Past your first response and pull up a separate thread then come forward to this thread and you will see I went to great lengths to show why I believe " A body of believers called out of all nations is a nation of its own, called the Church. It is what will be raptured up. There is no geographic land mass we can call a holy nation.
But Israel ( in a different way )
Here is the comment you're referring to:
"A Christian nation it shouldn't be no different"
This was a sarcastic rebuttal to that notion embodied in a larger statement that shouldn't have been mistaken.
There was another thread that went on for a day or two displaying foolish pride that needed to be dealt with.
That's when I started a separate thread with the rebuttal.
You may have missed that because maybe a day or so later you responded and again today.
Adam's comment on 2021-02-25 12:10:32:
When people cite non-Bible books (man's opinion) to 'prove' a point, it usually has little credibility. Just turn on the TV or read a newspaper and most of what is written is unsubstantiated opinion or pure falsehoods. Society seems more corrupt and more willing to lie and deceive than any other time in my lifetime. The lies and propaganda is so blatant, but somehow they have been successful in silencing and cancelling any voices that tell the truth. It's similar to how many communist dictatorship countries got their start.
So, when I hear someone adamantly saying the US was not a Christian nation then says a few authors of history books said so, I don't believe it. I instead believe the evidence of historical documents quoting the Bible, of speeches quoting scripture, of monuments honoring God and scripture, of our dollar bill which still says in God we trust, of our pledge of allegiance which has God in it. Yes, some were Masons too, but most were Christians who desperately wanted freedom. Now, we have pro-communist people trying to destroy the country and limit your freedom that so many fought and died for. So, yes, this is a Christian nation, is still, but has fallen greatly. Immorality and sin will be it's demise, however, just like how Rome or many other powerful entities fell. No anti-conservative or anti-Christian propaganda will change my mind on what the truth is. If someone is confused on what the truth is they should seek God and pray.
Mild Bill's comment on 2021-02-25 11:00:34:
S Spencer,
"A Christian nation it shouldn't be no different."
I just read your response at this late date. I reject your thought that America is or ever was a Christian nation. I do accept the fact that at it's inception, it was a nation "of" professing Christians primarily dominating the society, and as such, that faith should be reflected in the character of it's elected leaders and issues of governance.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams, 2nd President of the United States
Therein lies the American delemma today.
Those who blame the government have very little understanding of how it is supposed to work. As recently retired I have expanded my reading time and quite a few books have handled American history, politics and western cultural development. This site is not the place to go into the many interesting things I've learned, but I do wish to leave you with one smattering of facts. At the time of the Civil War the majority of American churches taught a covenant theology and truely believed that victory of the church in world affairs would usher in the return of Christ. Also, the "Origins of Species by Means of Natural Selection", by Charles Darwin was hailed as science advancing knowledge and lent support to the position of racial descrimination that has so inflamed our society to this very day. Ironically Lincoln's party was no less discriminatory than the southerners and carried that fault in their political stance well into the 1920's. Only after the Civil War did the Federal government begin to swell into the massive financial and intrusive monster it is today.
Given a chance to sit down and discuss these and more matters, I can imagine more agreement between us.
One more pre-America tidbit, look up the 1746 destruction of the French fleet and the connection to Boston.
Barbara J Moore's comment on 2021-02-23 12:07:14:
Thank you so very much, Mr. Bowman for your, very in-depth and spirit filled answer. You have truly Blessed me with your Comment/Answer back to me, as I am, through this, able to see another angle per se.
See, I was told, when I asked this question of a popular and, in my opinion extremely spirit-filled and informative Pastor, that when we return to Earth, riding behind Christ, we won't NEED to fight with The Lord as "out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword," as mentioned in Rev.19:15. Furthermore, he stated, rather coyly that Jesus would "take care of business, not needing us."
Personally, I see things much differently and feel there is a purpose for us, returning with Christ; why else would it be mentioned? Armies! However, it does not expound, really, on the subjection, with our, the Saints involvement? Now, I did read this sites Commentary where the verse is broken down. Basically, it says that the example used is when the Roman Generals paraded the Army with the Captives behind. Somehow, Sir, I don't feel this is what is conveyed. Every mention of the "Armies," Biblically speaks to the Men who fought alongside, i.e., Joshua or David, etc., so why would one conceive any other train of thought?
I am able to humble myself and am only trying to learn but this is actually important to me as myself and all of my 5 Sons, are Warriors. In other words, I've long felt that we, collectively would fight, side by side with our King. I thank you, so very much for your time and attention and again, I want to learn, not in contradiction but spirit-filled!
Have a Blessed day, Mr. Bowman!
Most Humbly,
Barbara
Earl Bowman's comment on 2021-02-22 16:14:19:
Barbara, the Spirit is gracing you with HIS wisdom and His Understanding. What the Spirit is revealing to you about the armies described in Revelation 19:14 is correct, we are those armies. The armies described in Revelation are much different than the armies we know which are made up of men in their natural state.
1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that WAS NOT FIRST which is spiritual, but that which is NATURAL; and afterwards that which is SPIRITUAL.
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown (at natural birth) a NATURAL body; it is raised (at Christ resurrection) a SPIRITUAL body (we are delivered into this body the moment we depart our natural body). There is a NATURAL body, and there is a SPIRITUAL body.
John 16:21 A woman (the church) when she is in travail hath sorrows (suffers in the flesh), because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she rememberth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
There are many, many symbols that describe the called out: the elect, the saints, the anointed ones, the church, the temple, the house of God, the trees, the books, the rivers, the streams, the mountains, the house of Israel, the house of Jacob, the chosen, the called, the faithful, the horses, the chariots and many more. When the Spirit causes you to understand the symbols it becomes easier for the Spirit to reveal His truths.
Isaiah 9:5 For every (natural) battle of the (natural) warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this (spiritual battle) shall be with (spiritual) BURNING and FUEL of (spiritual) FIRE.
Isaiah 9:19 and the PEOPLE shall be the FUEL of the FIRE
Isaiah 4:3-6 (vs 4)When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion (another symbol of the called out) and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem (another symbol of the called out) from the midst thereof by the SPIRIT OF JUDGEMENT and by the SPIRIT OF BURNING.
This is what the armies (the ones gone before us) are doing.
SkipVought's comment on 2021-02-19 13:17:28:
Joe, blessing in Jesus' name, the name above every other name.
God has made covenants with various people as recorded in The Bible: Some of them are...
Noahic Covenant - an unconditional covenant never to destroy the earth again by flood.
Abrahamic Covenant - an unconditional covenant to bless him, make him a great nation, bless all nations through him and give him the Promised Land
Mosaic Covenant - a CONDITIONAL covenant that IF the people of Israel completely obeyed God, they would be blessed by God, but if they didn't, they would receive curses from God.
Davidic Covenant - an unconditional covenant the his reign and throne would last forever.
The New Covenant - an unconditional covenant to give Israel a new heart to obey Him, live in the Promised land forever and enjoy God's presence, a covenant that New Testament believers share in.
Notice that only one is a conditional covenant: the covenant with Moses and Israel at Mount Sinai. This covenant has been replaced by The New Covenant, since Jesus was the fulfillment of the Mosaic Law. Keeping The Law is not a means if grace. Rather it condemns us. "The Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." This covenant included the dietary restrictions like not eating the blood or fat of animals. These civil, ceremonial and dietary laws were only addressed to Israel and are not in any way a requirement for New Testament believers. The apostles addressed thus issue at the Jerusalem Council as recorded in Acts 15.
Today, the blood is usually drained from the carcass before the meat is aged and butchered. I'm not really sure whether ingesting large amounts of blood is harmful but I'd guess that's so. But we are under no such prohibition from God as stated in the Scriptures.
Steven Spencer's comment on 2021-02-18 16:43:25:
Hi Mild Bill
All of us means both political parties.
S Spencer's comment on 2021-02-18 16:33:04:
Hi Mild Bill,
We actually agree, The short of it is ,I opened up with a question, quoting " Why do we " Blame " the government for our own behavior?
You see we got a constitution created with biblical principles as you said and I agree.
The constitution can't change the heart of the individual just like the law couldn't change the heart of a jew. He's a jew outwardly not inwardly,
Individually the Holyspirit should govern our hearts. The jews was never able to accomplish the law, and Righteousness wasn't to come by it, tho they was inspired and never amended. Its called the ministry of condemnation, And we was never able fulfill the constitution yet it was amended 27 times I think. We are now in the Church age, The spirit takes residents in us we're without out excuses so as an individual Christian we can't blame the Government. but as a nation its scary because we should have a greater influence than any other country, A Christian is known by the love we have for one another, as A Christian nation it shouldn't be no different.
Other countries see us no different than them. Israel was called a degenerate vine, The LORD is the true vine the church is the branches, we bare fruit because we're connected to him not the nation.
Mild Bill's comment on 2021-02-18 11:07:53:
S Spencer,
"The difference is we help build this country the way it is, "" ALL OF US""
If you want to include yourself, I don't know you well enough to object,
however, "all" is an accusation against brethren, and we both know who
is famous for that.
America is one of the least ungodly nations on Earth. The bedrock is
the Constitution, created with biblical principles in the minds of the
writers. It is a contract between the people who understand their
political rights come from God, and the government. The people agree to comply
with the government when the government follows the Constitution/law. The
problem we have today is that the governing bodies are departing from
following the Constitution. You can't legislate people to be saved.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people". It is
wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
Too many Americans are strangers to the word of God.
To your point, believers have a part in shaping our society but the decline
in morality is not something "all" believers must bear. I am persuaded that
laodicean lukewarmness is on the rise in representing the church in the
world today. A seduction of wealth and goods has blinded many a local
church from seeing it's need for a lord to rule and a purpose to accomplish.
That church is neither hot/soothing or cold/refreshing to our Lord. Workers
in the harvest are sparse and that ought not to be. All is not lost, because
our Lord is still offering Laodiceans gold, to repentent ones.
It is laziness to project the end of times is near and all world wrongs will be
righted in some biblical cataclysmic event, when instead, working to increase
the harvest of souls is indeed something of our Lords will we know pleases him.
That repentence could usher in a revival of the true church with godly believers.
Why rant/vent here?
S Spencer's comment on 2021-02-18 07:02:04:
Why do we blame the Government for our own behavior? We site racism, Abortion, Same sex Marriage, slavery ect... We Legalized these sins and and close our eyes to the sin of hatred and Division. Since some of these sins is Glossed over and some legalized, YOU AS A CHRISTIAN CANT PLACE THE BLAME ON THE WORLDS GOVERNMENT, WHEN GODS LAW SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN YOUR HEART.
Take Daniel Daniel,Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego; these men didn't abandon God in Babylon. They were in a foreign land and so are you.
The difference is we help build this country the way it is, "" ALL OF US""
King David I know he had his own sins as we all do but his heart was right with God, ""a repented heart""
He was a great king when it comes to leading a nation in the statutes of Gods laws. ( HE DID WHAT WAS RIGHT IN THE EYES OF THE LORD ALL HIS DAYS )
Do you think if he was our president we would be a better nation? Don't we have an advantage on that Era? ( We have the Holyspirit in us to direct our Lives individually to form a nation barring fruit.
Who's Governing you?
Chris's comment on 2021-02-17 22:48:31:
A Jew would celebrate Purim & do so joyfully as he is brought into remembrance of the great deliverance of the Jews by the Hand of God, through His servant, Esther. As a Christian, I would have no need to celebrate this event but only to bear it in mind for historical understanding & of the working of God in the affairs of men. My special event is when I break bread in fellowship with the saints, in remembrance of my great deliverance from the depths of sin & captivity in Satan's domain.
Barbara J Moore's comment on 2021-02-17 12:24:28:
Truly, I may be wrong in my thinking but, I feel, in my spirit and my gut tells that we, i.e., the Saints, which I think it's safe to assume is the Church, will indeed FIGHT right along with our King, Jesus Christ upon His return to Earth. All along, the Biblical typologies, woven through scripture, have indicated that the Army's have had many a battle, correct? They fought and died, along with Joshua & David, another typology just like our Messiah. So, why would it be that the Saints & Angels, returning with Jesus at the Battle of Armageddon would not fight, tooth and nail right alongside our Lord?
Rev. 19:14 "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." And, then, in verse 19, it reads, "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."
Wouldn't it be your belief or understanding that we ARE the ARMY of Christ and we will fight alongside The Word? I've been told that I am wrong, but, it is merely common sense. Do you agree? Thank you!
Respectfully,
Barbara J Moore
Nariyah lashae Holston's comment on 2021-02-17 11:03:25:
why do we celebrate purim