“Beside this he gave them knowledge, and the law of life for an heritage.”
King James Version (KJV)
(Why is Ecclesiasticus shown with the King James Bible?)
Charlie Slaves's comment on 2023-05-27 05:50:02:
With respect MountHoreb, for the purpose of understanding, all rule of word, be it style, etymological, grammatical and legalese, be set aside. Words are spells and have power to create. However, intention herein is pure.
If we continue to slice and dice time and bloodlines, we fail to view our now as spirit. Whilst some of the statute you quoted is perhaps out of context, the sentiment is received.
GEN 2:4 the switch from GOD to Lord God and the view from heaven and earth to earth and heaven. Lord is the mind of man as created in the image of GOD. Not form but mind
There was no question asked in the comment made other than to confirm addition and removal of text was forbidden. Apocrypha being hidden, simply suggests that bridge of text was impacting timeline for all spirit in mankind.
The development of devolution has reached point, ego is majority yet that house is divided and those peaceful spirited with GOD watch on as tares bundle themselves unable to accept truth that we are in the kingdom of GOD
In the midst of all hearts, the spark of love awaits to be fueled once again with the light of GOD.
The selected text which make up our holy bible chosen by over lords that lord over you in a system designed by them that guide mankind. Consider GEN 1:27 and know as spirit you are lord over the man in which you are. Take charge and minister your state.
GOD BLESS MANKIND
MountHoreb's comment on 2023-05-26 12:19:06:
Charlie Slaves on Ecclesiasticus 17:11
Questions as to why specific writings became 'apocrypha' and subsequently removed from the original KJV is simply that content therein cemented the foundation of the word giving greater understanding. A time for everything and everything has a time.
You are replying to a comment by "Charlie Slaves"
If you read from Genesis to Revelation their is a common theme. The Promise seed Genesis 3:15, Israel Gods chosen people , The coming one the messiah, Israel's disobedience and captivity, Jehovah (Psalm 83:18) mercy and delivering his people from captivity because they repented. Even the book of Ruth played a part in the symbolic descendant role in the promise seed
Matthew 1:5.
How does the book of Esther add up? this book talks about Jews being in Shushan. The Jews were always in captivity by their enemies for their deliberate disobedience to Jehovah-Nehemiah 13:23-31;Esther 2:6 (Exile). Esther didn't have a choice; she was in exile or in captivity as while and taken to the kings house-Esther 2:8. Jehovah god blessed this situation because they relied on him when Haman tried to scheme or plot to destroy all the Jews Esther 3:5-15. This book is accurate because it matches the other books regarding Jews being in captivity or exile.
When you read the apocrypha does it match the bibles overall theme? does this puzzle pieces match?
does it complete the whole picture?
I hope this answers your question. Thank you
Charlie Slaves's comment on 2023-05-26 08:31:42:
GIGI. With respect. Perhaps if we reviewed Christ instruction to define a true follower, the number of Christians would be greatly reduced simply by their lack of understanding.
Man; part of creation in which Christ is, with 'us' as spirit directing.
Born first then birthed with a person into the sin system, adulterated with repeat education and false ideology to fit in and further us from our born state.
Here, in the kingdom of GOD, it is mind being developed to navigate beyond deception.
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Many will say lord lord only to hear, I never knew you.
Christ the state will reign the new age, new heaven, new earth.
Truth will make you free.
Charlie Slaves's comment on 2023-05-26 08:31:35:
So GOD created man in his own image
in the image of GOD created he him
Male and female created he them
Thou shalt have no other gods before me
Read as a child before the world whirled and ego developed to defend it
Christ is in all and every eye (pineal) will see
Let there be lights in the firmament, let them be for signs and seasons
We are in the earth, the kingdom of GOD as partakers of creation
Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins
Born first then birthed into sin with a person that no one respects
GiGi's comment on 2023-05-25 09:55:06:
Thank you Chris, for such a good response to Charlie,
I was wondering how to respond to his posts since they contain so much anti-Christian statements and promote many "New Age" thoughts.
I am glad that you replied to him at the core of what was to be addressed. Thanks again.
Chris's comment on 2023-05-24 22:01:34:
Thank you Charlie for those thoughts. I must admit that most of them go over my head, especially when I try to relate them to what I read in the Bible. But to focus on some things you have written here that might help me to understand you better.
"the cause of most evil doings is a lack of knowledge as to where we are"; "If we teach spiritual breath first, stillness of mind, governance of emotions and feelings, thought will prevail and prevent waywardness of this I am sure"; "The Christ seed is within us all; such is the grand design of man."
Should I understand then that 'most' of the evil man does is because of ignorance of who he is & where he is in God's Design? That to teach a child in his formative years about mind & emotion control, will enable him to stay on the right path in life? That all who are born into the world have the 'seed of Christ', or as you wrote, "If everybody knew they are in the kingdom of GOD", is this how you perceive the world of fallen man?
If I've understood you correctly, where does the entrance of sin fit in & the subsequent transfer of that sin nature to every person born into the world? From reading, & trying to absorb your beliefs behind your words, it seems that we should understand that all people are God's creation with the Kingdom of God within them & only through self-realization, self-determination & effort, & true & full knowledge of God, can we find peace, happiness & God's acceptance. I realize that I've added my own words that may not reflect yours correctly, but that's how I read them. So my question would be, 'where does the teaching of man's inherent sin nature fit in, with the only repair available to him being through Christ's blood shed; that Sacrifice being man's substitute to satisfy God's Wrath?' If man can simply acquire knowledge & through persistent effort fully realize God's Kingdom within him, would this not negate the whole biblical message of salvation & entire forgiveness & cleansing?
Charlie Slaves's comment on 2023-05-24 10:44:34:
Yes chris agreed, some may have tainted morals due to experience, trauma, etc yet, generally the cause of most evil doings is a lack of knowledge as to where we are.
The deception has most fooled including folk that write on these pages.
With respect, the word (Hu-man) is but the colour of man governed by the legal system, subject to rules of man as an expendable resource.
If everybody knew they are in the kingdom of GOD not on a space ball spinning in infinity and every thought, feeling and act is known then perhaps 99% would yield to 'thy kingdom come, thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth'.
What we have been given by GOD is a conundrum of specific design that takes us from our born into life position to a birthed person in a good and evil system of public and private adulteration.
The first six years is as the first six days of creation when a foundation is cemented within the mind and very hard to change as guarded by ego.
If we teach spiritual breath first, stillness of mind, governance of emotions and feelings, thought will prevail and prevent waywardness of this I am sure.
The true beauty of the KJV bible is the multiple layers of wisdom which we take and paint our own truth and nothing will ever unite our imagination until we know we are already in the kingdom of GOD.
The Christ seed is within us all; such is the grand design of man.
Unfortunately the commercial Christ ideology will leave many saying 'lord, lord only to hear the response, 'I never knew you'.
The body we are in called man is the fundamental foundation for mind and soul for knowledge, understanding and wisdom.
Chris's comment on 2023-05-24 00:24:30:
Charlie. Our moral compass, I find, is not always the most reliable yardstick to perfectly attain God's Standard of morality & Truth. Simply because that which is in our hearts & from our many life's experiences can still be tainted by the appeals & persuasions of the flesh. For sure, if we fully believed God's Word & fully submitted to His Spirit to lead us in the ways of righteousness, then there can be great confidence that the path we walk down, our beliefs, our opinions, & the decisions we make, might very closely align with the Truth & Will of God for us. But how often is that the case? While we remain in the flesh, we will always be susceptible to it to some degree. But of course, God doesn't judge us for our human failings or sins of omission, but for the condition of our hearts & minds towards Him, all the while looking to Him for mercy to help us in time of our great need or inadequacy.
What we have been given by God in the written Word is sufficient to know His Will for mankind & for each of us personally. We have to believe that or else we tread on dangerous ground if other writings are readily accepted as Truth. We might then syncretize all writings together hoping to form a greater more fuller body of 'truth', when in fact, Truth might have become adulterated to some degree leaving the reader either hopelessly confused or formulating a belief system based on his own imaginations. It is sad enough when we all read from the same Scriptures & yet find that we can still understand them differently & come to various conclusions. If we then add any other writing to it, what then does that do to our understanding? I think it tragic that some hold to beliefs of the Serpent Seed doctrine, or of a purgatory for a final cleansing, even that works can also bring justification. Where do these beliefs come from - certainly not from the given precious Word of God. We need great care in what we read & what we believe, accepting as truth.
Charlie Slaves's comment on 2023-05-23 18:46:29:
Gen 1:27 GOD (grantor of dominion) creator of heaven and earth, man and all things
gen 2:4 Lord GOD (mind in man) creator of government (control-mind) maker of (hu-man) resource governed by the colour of law (legal)
jealousy is a faculty endowed in man, male and female for lord (mind) in them to overcome.
Christ is a state, an internal acceptance ordered with love, kindness, compassion and understanding, the return of which will happen within everyone at once. Occupants in man are we, bad tenants get evicted. Straight is the spine, upright is the way, the truth and the life and light in all, for our creator is essence of everything.
Charlie Slaves's comment on 2023-05-23 08:26:01:
Hey Chris, surely the yardstick you use should be your own moral compass?
That which we deem acceptable for our own uni-verse and blood-line creation? (LUKE 6:31 MATH 7:12) If we accept wrong then wrong will come upon us or our creation part piece thereof?
KJV authorised, carefully selected teachings from many determined by man in order to bring about the transformation of the mind for the purpose of GOD in man. The shear complexity and design of man the vessel itself is testimony enough for understanding GOD. Not every man has within him the discipline to attain a heightened state of spiritual understanding, yet error will be irradiated when truth is unveiled. It is without doubt the book of law governs the conduct of nations.
GEN 1:27 we are all in earth, the kingdom of GOD as described and set out clearly in scripture. There will be them that accept truth, repent and turn from their old ways and them that will cling to false machination of mans egotistical deception. Agreed, the bible is the script without question as all forms of law be it for man or human is derived from it.
Chris's comment on 2023-05-22 19:40:24:
To clarify my meaning to the Rule I use, Charlie, I don't think my "question suggests restriction in acceptance of truth", rather, my restriction is not dependent on what I perceive to be truth, but the yardstick I use to determine it. If no gauge is used against any body of writing, then I would think that my mind would accept all the ideas & beliefs presented therein, not giving much concern as to what is written & then digested, believing that time & eternity will reveal all.
Rather, the Bible is given to us (i.e. those parchments recovered & preserved for us), so that we might not only learn the Mind & Purpose of God in humanity, but be able to confidently treasure those doctrines & Truths taught, to see how they measure up to anything else presented to us. I don't believe that man needs to attain a heightened state of spiritual understanding to be able to weigh up the differences between truth & error. If we are careful in our reading & study of the Scriptures & knowing that not everything presented to us is true, then Truth & error become apparent.
Even "that God is within every man, male and female" can't be correct, as there are too many Scriptures to show that wickedness & deceitfulness lies in the heart of each one of us and none of us our righteous, not even one (Jeremiah 17:9; Psalm 14:1-4 & Romans 3:9-18). What we have here then, is whether the words & instructions of men are equal to or more worthy than the Word of God. Not only from the pages of the Bible, but also from visible demonstrations of the workings of men's hearts, we find that mankind has rejected his Creator & His Word, doing all that satisfies his flesh & corrupt mind - all proving that God could never be found in man, but He is clearly evident when He sends His Spirit to regenerate & restore man from an unrighteous to a righteous state. And this is where Truth comes to the fore: when the Bible is held against any other writing, & this other one is found wanting.
pierre1939's comment on 2023-05-22 11:07:03:
David0921 no offence but the book in the right hand of the Father is that New COVENANT by the blood of Jesus at Calvary....That book of life that Jesus wrote with his own blood....But the bible is not that same book of life....The Jews had the bible the Torah they were sola scriptura....Bible only...But they stoned almost all the prophets....But Jesus tells them they were of their father the devil....Thats y Jesus is saying Search the scriptures in them you think you have eternal life but its them that testify of me....Which is the H.G. THE LIVING WORD a living being the manchild that is gonna rule all nations...That spirit of truth that Jesus said is gonna reprove the world of sin and righteousness and judgement....plz note the Prince of this world cannot be judged by the bible the written word....He can only be judged by the manchild the H.G. that Child of Promise...The spirit of truth the man child which is the H.G.THE CONTENTS OF THAT BOOK in the fathers right hand ....The book of life....David if the bible cd have given us a new covenant at CALVARY....And redeemed humanity then Jesus shed his blood in vain and the CROSS WAS JUST FOOLISHNESS....There was no ETERNAL LIFE IN THE BIBLE THE SCRIPTURES....This N.C. CD ONLY COME BY THE BLOOD OF Jesus at Calvary....Which resulted in that book of life in the fathers right hand....Love your zeal David Gbu....
Charlie Slaves's comment on 2023-05-22 07:05:21:
Good day Chris,
"I always use this rule: even in the Qur'an there is much Truth to be read - but would I ever use it to gain knowledge & inspiration to live a godly life?"
This self question suggests restriction in acceptance of truth.
Truth is truth, whether 'you' spirit in man which we all are regardless of circumstance, can absorb and elevate as pre-deter-mind. The essence of Christ spiritual instruction is equal equity therefore equality with GOD.
"What does this book or any apocryphal book hold for me that I can't fully receive, hold onto & depend on, than God's Word to us in the Bible?"
A part of the bible is Apocrypha, a hidden bridge bringing further knowledge of creation, earth the kingdom of GOD, our own nurture of it and forces set as parameters by which we navigate our mind as children.
Now is time for understanding GOD is within every man, male and female. Allegorical and parable teachings reflect and echo ancient spiritual knowledge about man and GOD and GOD in man.
Chris's comment on 2023-05-21 18:17:12:
Thank you Charlie for your further comments. Just to hone in on your words: "they (the apocryphal writings) remain steadfast as immovable lines upon which we each write our own uni-verse into the book of creation"; there have certainly been a lot more material written, more than we see in the Canon of Scripture, but in the final analysis, all words have to be subject to a pre-determined accepted body of Scripture where Truth is paramount.
If there is any clear conflict observed against the Canon of Scriptures, then that writing has to be read with great care, even treated with suspicion. I always use this rule: even in the Qur'an there is much Truth to be read - but would I ever use it to gain knowledge & inspiration to live a godly life? What does this book or any apocryphal book hold for me that I can't fully receive, hold onto & depend on, than God's Word to us in the Bible?
Charlie Slaves's comment on 2023-05-21 07:47:14:
Chris, thank you for responding, much appreciated.
To further continue respectively, we are told unequivocally to be as spirit in man, rendering time as subjective.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with GOD and the word was GOD.
Being included then made Apocrypha, is perhaps a clue as to the effect and validity of this body of text in time, backed by the warning of exclusion in revelation.
As a bridge between testaments regardless of poetic rhetoric, they remain steadfast as immovable lines upon which we each write our own uni-verse into the book of creation.
Instruction from Christ is clear and whilst knowledge and wisdom gained from understanding all aspects of teaching, biblical and beyond has purpose but for the fruition of mind in our now, humbling ego before the forewarned return which every eye will see, as the only authority.
Chris's comment on 2023-05-19 21:05:05:
Hello Charlie. I don't believe that the Old Testament Apocryphal Books were largely accepted by the Church. Many had accepted them as authoritative & scriptural & even included them in the Canon of Scripture (whether within the OT framework or as additions to it), but many didn't accept them for various reasons.
If you're enquiring as to why these books were not included or even removed from the Canon, then the reasons are many. Some of them are: they were never cited as books of reference in the NT (even though we have Jude 1:14,15 & 2 Timothy 3:8 as possible examples). These quotations by Jude & Paul do give some authoritative weight to those books, though they are only mentioned to strengthen the text, just as Paul referred to the Cretians (Titus 1:12) & in Acts 17:28 (to the Athenian poets).
The Apocrypha books were never accepted by the Jews as divinely inspired writings & were never a part of the Hebrew canon. Those books were written during those 400 'silent years' between the Testaments. Both Jewish & NT sources agree that no divinely inspired prophetic utterance occurred at that time. Jesus never referred to them as He often did to the accepted OT Scriptures. As well, even though some Truth can be gleaned from those books, they do also contain errors, both in historical matters & doctrine. When any writing, then or now, gives details that are contrary to what has been given to us (even that of the NT Apocrypha), then they must be held in suspicion. Many do read from those apocryphal books & have even asked on this Site about their authenticity & authority, but I've always shared that if one is inclined to read or study from them, that they do so guardedly & with utmost care (watching for historical & doctrinal inaccuracies), always resorting to the accepted Canon of Scripture as their final authority.
Charlie Slaves's comment on 2023-05-19 07:44:08:
Questions as to why specific writings became 'apocrypha' and subsequently removed from the original KJV is simply that content therein cemented the foundation of the word giving greater understanding. A time for everything and everything has a time.
Ahaya\'s servant's comment on 2014-04-20 23:18:55:
This is the heritage given unto the 12 tribes of Israel, the true seed of Israel who are under the curse right now. See also the continuation of the precept for knowledge when we rejected knowledge Hosea 4 6, Jeremiah 17 4, and Isaiah 1 3.