“And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brickkiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of the children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned unto Jerusalem.”
King James Version (KJV)
crossroman's comment on 2021-08-23 18:36:05:
Thanks Chris.
Dianne's comment on 2021-08-22 07:08:07:
Hi Chris The challenge daily is either walking by the senses the flesh or by the spirit it is written which constant renewed mind, we either look to the world or look to the word. I believe we agree God Bless
Chris's comment on 2021-08-22 06:27:24:
Thank you for your thoughts & suggestions (as I also read your comment to Dianne). This would indeed become a much protracted discussion if pursued. The only comment I offer for my understanding of Romans chapter 7, is the apostle's clear use of the personal pronoun & present/past tenses, as appropriate.
I realize that there are other views on this passage, & even in my attempt to engage with those views for the purposes of learning a different perspective to mine, my reading & understanding of what Paul is expressing seems to be the most natural & obvious. Blessings to you.
crossroman's comment on 2021-08-22 03:34:24:
Hi Chris, as I wrote to Dianne I say to you also. There are two predominant prevailing views on Romans 7, and one should examine them carefully before aligning with the one or the other. There is plenty of information on the web. If you have made your informed choice then that is the end to it, but I would advise you spend some time on these two views before you claim the wrong one because these views are directly opposed to one another, just like the Spirit and the flesh are, and to claim the wrong view is to champion both law and flesh instead of the Spirit.
Dianne's comment on 2021-08-14 06:21:40:
Drake Last but not least Psalm 103:1-14 especially look at 10-12, 12 as far as the east is from the west so far hath he removed our transgressions from us, north and south are poles if you go south you'll eventually go north and vise versa east and west never meet if you go west your always going west and vise versa, really something to think about. God Bless
Dianne's comment on 2021-08-14 05:39:29:
Drake Some things to think about your heart for God is evident, 1 John 3:20+21 also Romans 8:28-39 thats in the context of walking by the spirit i.e. Gods word. Nobody is worthy of this, we have been made the righteousness of God in Christ, all sins are paid in full God looks at us as his family. Look at the logic an earthly father when a mistake is made instructs and teaches so that the error gets corrected. Our heavenly Father God gave us everything through Jesus Christ who is our greatest example. In 2 Timothy3:16+17 is the purpose of Gods word verse 17 That the man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good works. The word throughly is not in error its there because we have been made clean by the accomplished work of Jesus Christ. i never think about what I was I endeavor to think about 2 Corinthians 5: 17-21. This is Gods Heart for His Kids us. God Bless
Chris's comment on 2021-08-14 03:58:04:
Hello Drake. The anguish you feel is mirrored in so many of us. The Apostle Paul suffered under the same spiritual cloud when he looked at the conflict in himself, between sin & his spirit. Romans 7:14-23 shows that conflict. But after his agonizing over it, he could find that victory lay not within him, but in the Person of Jesus Christ.
Even the Psalmist in Psalm 73:21-26, despaired of his unworthiness before God (was seen as a beast before Him & with a body & heart that failed God in life & in death). Yet, even he could raise himself up & proclaim that inspite of this, God was still his Strength, that His Presence hadn't left him & he would be guided in this life & into the next.
All God ever expects of His children is to humble themselves before Him, acknowledging that there "dwelleth no good thing" as far as our flesh is concerned. When we bring our sins & shortcomings before Him & our desire is not to the sin but only to the Saviour, He sees the heart that is inclined towards Him: a heart of faith, of hope, of expectation in our final redemption from this Earth. "He knoweth our frame; He remembereth that we are dust", but He also knows where the blood of His Son has been applied, and that not one of His sheep will be lost or plucked from His Hand.
We can confidently rest on such Scriptures, but if sin overtakes us, we look up & reach out for our Father & receive assurance of forgiveness & restoration. You've shared a mighty testimony declaring your love for the Lord; this cannot come from a heart succumbed to a sinful life, but of one engaged in the earthly battle in the spiritual realm, trusting the Lord for that extra measure of faith & strength. "This is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith." Faith in Christ alone who has gotten us the victory through His Cross. Stay strong brother - keep looking up in faith & looking down into His Word for you.
drake dyck's comment on 2021-08-13 02:57:48:
My greatest fear when i look at my own sin, is that we belong to a just God. He cannot deny Himself. There will defiantly be consequences for our choices in life. My hope and my prayer is, when I finally turn my back to this darkness in my life, God will allow His face to shine on me once again. I love you Lord, I love You so much, I repent inside myself.
From everlasting to everlasting, You are Lord. Kind, and gracious, full of love, and compassion with a desire to see us succeed. Praise Your holy name,
chloe's comment on 2010-05-18 02:45:53:
the translation is inaccurate. they were put to work with saws and bricks etc. not killed. david was never sadistic or cruel.