1 Thessalonians 4:17

 

“Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

King James Version (KJV)

 

 

Other Translations of 1 Thessalonians 4:17

“Then we which are aliue, and remaine, shalbe caught vp together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall wee euer bee with the Lord.”
King James Version (1611) - View original scan of 1 Thessalonians chapter 4
 

“Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.”
New American Standard Version (1995)
 

“then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
American Standard Version (1901)
 

“Then we who are still living will be taken up together with them into the clouds to see the Lord in the air: and so will we be for ever with the Lord.”
Basic English Bible
 

“then *we*, the living who remain, shall be caught up together with them in [the] clouds, to meet the Lord in [the] air; and thus we shall be always with [the] Lord.”
Darby Bible
 

“Wherefore, comfort ye one another with these words. ”
Douay Rheims Bible
 

“Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ”
Webster's Bible
 

“Afterwards we who are alive and are still on earth will be caught up in their company amid clouds to meet the Lord in the air.”
Weymouth Bible
 

“then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever.”
World English Bible
 

“Therfor be ye coumfortid togidere in these wordis.”
Wycliffe Bible
 

“then we who are living, who are remaining over, together with them shall be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be;”
Youngs Literal Bible
 


 

GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE}'s comment on 2021-12-02 18:33:04:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 "caught up"

Part I

PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure

A) God's TWO Different programs, Rightly Divided

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming

LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our COMFORT And Consolation. Amen. 1 Thessalonians 4:18

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A) God's TWO Different programs, Rightly Divided

Time Of JACOB's (Israel's) Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom "ages" past/future Genesis-John Hebrews-Revelation

God's "Earthly Kingdom" Purpose From "the foundation of the world" Matthew 25:34

God's Purpose Prophesied "since the world began" Luke 1:68-70 Acts 3:21

Rightly Divided 2 Timothy 2:15 From Things That DIFFER

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST, Ending God's Age Of GRACE, Is Found In

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God, Which Is Current for us, Today, Under GRACE = "But NOW!" Romans through Philemon, Especially Romans 3:21 Ephesians 2:13

"Whereof I am made a minister, According To The (GRACE) Dispensation Of God Which Is Given To me for you, to Fulfil The Word of God; Even The Mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, BUT NOW Is Made Manifest to his saints" Colossians 1:25-26

God's "Heavenly Hidden" Purpose Before "the foundation of the world" Ephesians 1:4 2 Timothy 1:9

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret "since the world began" Romans 16:25 Ephesians 1:4-8 Ephesians 1:8-11 Ephesians 3:5-9

to be continued in Part II God's Great GRACE Departure

 

GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} "caught Up"'s comment on 2021-12-02 18:28:38:

Part II God's Great GRACE Departure

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming

The Second Coming, According to Prophecy

1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords, Is Coming From Heaven! Matthew 24:29 Revelation 19:11,16

2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! Revelation 19:12-15

3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!), His armies on white horses! Revelation 19:12-15

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army, * "All Of His holy angels,"

In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations

Matthew 25:31 Revelation 19:11,15

(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet in heaven), on

the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: "gather the elect"...

Matthew 24:31 Mark 13:27

6) ...for the "judgment of the Earthly Nations" By The Son of man, The King! Matthew 25:31-36 Matthew 25:36-41 Matthew 25:41-46

7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels! Matthew 25:34-38 Matthew 25:38-41

Matthew 25:41-46

Rightly Divided 2 Timothy 2:15 From Things That DIFFER

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!

to be continued in Part III God's Great GRACE Departure

 

GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} "caught Up"'s comment on 2021-12-02 18:27:30:

Part III God's Great GRACE Departure

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming continued

The Second 'prophesied' Coming

Rightly Divided 2 Timothy 2:15 From Things That DIFFER

God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly 'Mystery!'

1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!

CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From Heaven! Ephesians 1:19-23 Colossians 1:18 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel, And With The Trump of God! 1 Thessalonians 4:16

3) JESUS CHRIST, Who Is God, Will Bring With Him, those "asleep In JESUS," who Were With Him In Heaven! 2 Corinthians 5:6,8 Philippians 1:21,23 1 Thessalonians 4:13,14

4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those asleep (in 3) First, and Then, we "which are alive and remain (which Is A Mystery)," will be changed/all "incorruptible, And Caught Up together (rapture) to meet The LORD in the air (Not all the way to the earth), in the twinkling of an eye!" 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 1 Corinthians 15:52-53

5) CHRIST "Gathers His Body To HIMSELF, to Take them To Heaven" (Opposite of earth)... 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 1 Corinthians 15:49 2 Corinthians 12:2 2 Corinthians 5:1,2 Ephesians 1:3,20 Ephesians 2:6 Philippians 3:20 2 Timothy 4:18

6) ...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body, By The Head Himself!... Romans 2:6,16 Romans 14:10-12 1 Corinthians 3:6-11 1 Corinthians 3:12-15, 1 Corinthians 4:5, 1 Corinthians 6:20 2 Corinthians 5:10 Ephesians 6:8 Colossians 3:24-25

to be continued in:

Part IV God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure!

 

GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} "caught Up"'s comment on 2021-12-02 18:25:44:

Part IV

God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure!

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming continued

7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... Ephesians 5:27

7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father, In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen! 1 Thessalonians 3:13 Colossians 1:5,22 1 Corinthians 6:3 2 Corinthians 5:1-2

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been

assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD, Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of Glorification When You COME To Finally GATHER us HOME! Amen.

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2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' for "all to see" today, Current, "But NOW!" Amen?

Precious friends, Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, Edified, And "COMFORTED With THESE Words Of God's Truth!" 1 Thessalonians 4:18

 

GiGi's comment on 2021-11-02 09:52:10:

Thanks Chris,

I enjoyed teaching the young ones fresh into the school environment. I was able to bring Jesus too them in my and demeanor even if the public school environment restricts teachers from speaking openly about their faith. However, students are free to express their ideas on this matter and then I can respond when they bring something up. Parents have sensed my faith and shared with me their Christian faith and then I can share more. These parents express gratitude that their dear one will be taught by someone who loves Jesus like they do.

Now is the time for me to share my learnings with other adults as we build one another up in out faith. So glad that the Lord led me to this site and am thankful for the depth and breadth of the sections besides the Scripture text. This provides many avenues for us to help one another even though it is not in person.

 

Chris's comment on 2021-11-01 23:11:45:

I do indeed keep our dear folk who come on here, in my daily prayers, that together we will "grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" & therefore be used of Him for the blessing of others. It is truly a joyous thing, to fill ourselves with the knowledge of His Word, rather than the trash we get on our screens & phones. I can sense God's Spirit delighting to reveal more of our heavenly Father & His Son to us, being a blessed distraction from the things which can never satisfy.

What you're doing GiGi is very commendable by revisiting the Word from Genesis & sharing some very useful thoughts to assist us in understanding it, with a sprinkling of suggestions to challenge our thinking & appreciation of that Scripture. Your teaching skills are clearly apparent & I can see that they could have been well used (better used?) in the higher grades, given the chance.

I think many of us (for me at least), we just hit the Discussion Tab at the top of KJBO page (or else, hit Newest Discussion), & I progressively work down the page(s) until the comments start looking familiar from the previous day. But I guess one has to come on daily to do that with ample spare time, which I do, whenever I can. I started off here when Covid & lockdowns began over two years ago, rather than twiddle my thumbs at home - and I never left. I try to respond where I can; however, if others have already responded to questions & I have nothing useful to offer, then I go through the thread & move on. So that's my general plan. And some of the comments made here have forced me to consider verses or other theological matters, which I may have glossed over previously or not really considered. So, it's been an added avenue of study & ministry as well for me. And of course, if you don't get a response to your comment, it's not for a lack of readers - maybe there's been no prompt from the Spirit. So keep up the good work - I certainly enjoy what you've been sharing.

 

GiGi's comment on 2021-11-01 19:50:16:

Hello,

Chris, I guess I do not know how this site works yet. I thought you were going back to Genesis and revisiting comment section to see what new posts say. Which, if so, I appreciate, because there are new people beginning the study of the Bible with Genesis that many studied months or years ago and while I can be helped by what they wrote, they cannot benefit or help newcomers if they do not go back and recheck what they previously studied. I realize this takes a lot of time. I just retired in September from being a Kindergarten teacher. So, I have time to do more than some others on this site. Last year when I was on medical leave dur to covid, I did months of research from non-Scriptural sources on and the pre-flood world and immediately post flood. And now I am studying Genesis again, because I am sure that God had me do the previous research for a reason and then lead to Genesis again.

I have truly enjoyed your many posts across the chapters of Genesis. You have a way of identifying iffy teaching and bringing the discussion back to solid teaching. Thank you. I will pray for you; please pray for me.

 

Chris's comment on 2021-10-31 23:16:29:

Thank you GiGi for those very kind remarks - they're truly undeserving. Many of us here come on often to do just that, to help others get to know & love the Scriptures more, thereby knowing the Will of God for them & living it out confidently in their lives. Actually, I don't go back into the Comments section looking at old posts - I find there are enough to consider & maybe comment on, in the present. And true, we'll never find agreement of everything in the Bible - there are so many variables & of course, the underlying fact is, that we often don't really have all the information to be able to say conclusively that a particular teaching is what it is & nothing else. The old adage, "Major on the majors and minor on the minors", should be where our focus is on - but it is nice to converse over 'peripheral' subjects & try & see how others view them. And thank you for your recent comments which have vividly brought us into the lives & thoughts of those men of old - indeed, we all bring out God's Word in a special way with our varied approaches.

 

GiGi again's comment on 2021-10-31 21:04:17:

Chris, I always love to read your posts. You are a straight arrow in your take on scriptural matters. I am uplifted by what you say and I stand in agreement with you for the most part. There may be some things we think differently on, but I feel that we both have been blessed with a strong foundation in Christ and the teachings of our faith. Thank you for going back and looking for new posts to respond to in chapters that you may have already studied and responded to in past months. This site needs people like you who are responsive to the need to welcome new posters, encourage others, gently guide others in fruitful discussions, and being watchful about what is being conveyed on this site. it shows you care about the people who come on here in a pastoral way. Thanks.

 

David's comment on 2021-10-27 05:01:51:

Hi Earl Sorry wrong name my mistake.

 

Rick's comment on 2021-10-27 04:58:13:

Brother Earl ! Samuel 28:6 already answers the question just something to keep in mind John 10: 9+10 The theif steal kill destroy, the true God life and more abundantly total opposites. Movin on God Bless.

 

Bill's comment on 2021-10-27 04:56:01:

I will attempt to locate your other threads.

You have insights that I really find stirring to my quest for scriptural understanding. I want to view more of them.

Your observation on the amount of time the average "Christian" spends in study is so sad and true.

I too was that way for possibly 50 years of my relationship with God and Christ. Yes, I am an old codger.

Too many years I spent being told what a verse meant and what to think about my relationship with God and Christ. I am so appreciative that God has permitted me to live long enough to find truth and not opinions.

Should we never speak together again in this existence, I pray to meet you in heaven and we find our answers from the Source itself.

May God bless and keep you throughout the remainder of your earthly life.

Thanks for being a brother.

Bill

 

Chris's comment on 2021-10-27 00:06:29:

Thank you brother Bill for your kind words and I have been equally edified & spiritually stimulated as we have shared in some very profitable discussions. And yes, some things, maybe many things, will be unknown to us this side of Heaven, 'but then shall I know even as also I am known', as all will be made abundantly clear to us. But I feel the Lord is pleased that we, as others who contribute on this Site, are so intensely engaged in spending time in the Word & with His children - sometimes to the neglect of our more mundane duties around the home. I find very few in the Church are prepared (or, capable) of spending time in serious discussion & searching of the Scriptures & so for a medium such as this, I'm very appreciative.

I have been active in other threads for the past couple of years, mostly responding to questions, but I don't think this Site allows one to call on a name to see what that person has written, maybe for good reason as personalities might become the focus, rather than general fellowship around the Word. Sometimes there is another 'Chris' that comes on, but hopefully one can tell from the material & manner in which comments are presented, that it's not one & the same.

I continue to look forward to reading your comments to others, & though we may not always see eye to eye, I know we do learn much from the experience & in endeavouring in building each other up in the Word & faith. The Lord bless you richly Bill.

 

Chris's comment on 2021-10-26 23:41:14:

Thank you brother Earl - that was a very good example that I had failed to recall. But would you not agree that the lying spirit that was controlling the mouth of those prophets was sent from the number that were gathered around God's Throne (1 Kings 22:19-23)? It appears so rather than an evil spirit appearing before God & putting up his hand to do the job. Then the question about the use of inducing a lie from one that is holy, or in another way, wilfully misleading the prophets to incorrectly proclaim God's Word. If this can happen, then it could well have been a being from Heaven that appeared to the witch in the form of Samuel, rather than an evil spirit. How do you understand what I've proposed?

 

Chris's comment on 2021-10-26 23:26:03:

Thank you for that comment Rick. I too noted verse 6, but questions remain. Nevertheless, as you stated, this should the close of this matter between us.

 

Earl Bowman's comment on 2021-10-26 20:59:25:

Brother David, I said God uses man (kind) to do his work or will, is not the witch mankind.

 

David's comment on 2021-10-26 12:43:39:

Brother Earl God did not communicate with the witch scriptural proof 1 Samuel 28:6 and when Saul inquired of the lord the lord answered him not neither by dreams nor nor by urim nor by prophets.

 

Rick's comment on 2021-10-26 10:53:48:

Chris My apologies in sharing it was not The true God communicating through the spirit look at Chapter 28:6 proof that the lord was not answering, so what was going on was the familiar spirit just used what the true God had already told Saul because of saul's disobedience the only added point was that Saul was going to die which was not stated by the true God. Keep something in mind our enemy knows Gods Word verbatim only he uses it to His advantage. This is my closing God Bless

 

Earl Bowman's comment on 2021-10-26 08:04:53:

Brother Chris, could the way God convinced Ahab also apply to the witch.

1 Kings 22:19-23

God always uses man to do his work or will.

 

Chris's comment on 2021-10-26 05:56:09:

Thank you brother David. That being the case (that the message was the adversary's manipulation), then how did the adversary know the prophetical word before it was given by God? This was my question to Rick & I remained intrigued how this can happen. Have we seen such a thing happen anywhere in the Scriptures? Can God actually choose to use a devil to bring a prophetical word to another, like Saul?

 


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