“But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.”
King James Version (KJV)
Follow Jesus No Matter What's comment on 2020-08-05 04:44:32:
Number 1: you are bringing a railing ACCUSATION against the Churches of Jesus Christ; the Body of Christ, of which Jesus is the Head; of the Holy Spirit who is the Spirit of Christ and the giver of the Gifts of the SPIRIT (which includes speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues)
See 1 Corinthians 12 and 13
Judge not lest YOU be judged. I'm not judging you. God is.
People need forgiveness because we make lots of mistakes. The Charismatic Movement has been Over for 30 years!!
It's Jesus's Church, not yours. "Upon this Rock I will build MY CHURCH.
Accusation accuses and we all know who is responsible for that: Satan. You need some deliverance from that. Ask & Receive.
If you'll give all that angst to the Lord, he will lead you to a church He wants you to rest in, be renewed, restored to your First Love when you met Jesus. Don't go away because of something that happened decades ago. Be a part of what God is doing now.
Draw a line in the sand and step over. We need people who truly care about the Bible. There are many people in here who are seeking answers from the Bible. Often when I pray, I ask God to keep his Hand on everybody who ever got saved in a Billy Graham Meeting. I keep looking for that to come around again. Praise God! Let the fire fall.
Corona virus has made people remember the briefness of life. We've got a soul and it belongs to God. He says it's His. We have to receive His son Jesus to secure eternal Life and the in-dwelling Holy Spirit.
Salvation is a gift from God the Father; but if we don't seize upon that Gift, our hearts harden.
I did a study recently. It's in the 1-100 history pages in this website. The Bible scriptures actually mention 3 plagues that come upon the whole world From China. It may be due to population and the amount of people that are very poor. I don't know.
Choose Life with Jesus now. Forget the past. Follow Jesus and be a disciple.
Mishael's comment on 2020-08-04 15:18:33:
Would The Holy Spirit give a rattlesnake?
1 Corinthians 12
Carleton's comment on 2020-08-04 12:29:13:
It is interesting also, that (as I remember) all of the accounts where speaking in tongues occurred, were with Jewish believers becoming Christians as a witness to each other (at that time) of the power of the risen Christ and his Holy Spirit.
Today we have that Witness in our lives as Christians, if we, like the early Church of Jewish believers, hold fast to the Faith once delivered.
Webster Clarke's comment on 2020-08-04 09:31:30:
When a person speak in tongues and another interpret, the interpreter says 'Thus saith the Lord'. So let me ask, Is scripture still being written? is God still speaking? then when will the Word of God be completed? These people who speak in tongues and saith it is from God are in fact adding to what God has said, lyingly so. The Bible was completed by the last book in Revelation. Our Lord has not spoken a Word either in tongues or plain language since.
This whole business of Tongues, the prophetics, Word of Faith, prosperity gospel, Celebrity Pastors, Mega Churches, 'once saved, always saved' is a trick by Satan to use the Neo-Pentecostals to in fact bring in the Laodicean Church age into existence in which Christ is outside of His own church knocking at the heart of that remnant individual. Rev. 3 "Behold I stand at the door and knock' now look, 'If any man, any individual..... The occurrence of COVID 19 has demonstrated to the world how irrevelant and ineffective the church (Laodicean church has become). It is really a sad and unfortunate DAY when World Governments no longer believe that the church has POWER to protect themselves. They are in fact saying, 'from what we are seeing, we no longer believe that the GOD you say you serve is able to protect you, so we have to legislate your protection... THIS is A HARSH BUT TRUE INDICTMENT ON THE CHURCH in an age when the Pentecostals are boasting of having so much POWER, PROSPERITY, HEALING, MIRACLES..'. '.....but I say unto you, you are poor and wretched and naked and blind-Rev 3-. It is my belief that the Neo-Pentecostal originating at Azuza St. has done more HARM to the Gospel and the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ than the Catholics during the dark ages. The Catholic's destruction was outright visible and UNPRENTENTIOUS, BRUTAL AND CHRISTLESS. But Satan has used the Pentecostals to destroy God's church in a very subtle way. The church of today is about the Pastor, his PH.D and his MEGA CHURCH, NOT THE CROSS.
Bonney O.'s comment on 2015-04-30 09:55:00:
Paul made used of the words "now " and "then ". He stated that faith, charity and hope abide in the "now " state, and since these three words hope, faith and charity still exist after the completion of the Bible means that the "then " state of perfection is still in the future-yet to come Christ coming. Because in the "then " state we shall see face to face- no more faith.
liz's comment on 2015-02-09 20:20:12:
The original Greek word for perfect is teleios.this is an adjative meaning perfect,mature,finished. This can only describe the world after the second coming of Christ. It is not a noun. This is per the cross references in the Keyword Hebrew-Greek study bible 1996 edition NIV version.
Jim's comment on 2015-01-12 08:34:16:
The Bible puts a high premium on written revelation Johns writings The hebrews put a premium on signs and written revelation-gentiles by in large were not interested in signs and wonders bot primarly knowlege-first 100 yrs church was still made up of many jews,we see much jewish referances laced in the new testiment-acts to rev-This being said none of the gifts are needed because we have 'a more sure word of prophecy "2 peter 1:19 also please note in 2 peter 3:16 peter refers to pauls writing as hard to be understood,so there were already scripures being identified as written word of God that would be completed at a later date.My biggest concern is if we dont interpret corinth 13:10 as perfect meaning the complete cannon of scripture we open up ourselved to extra biblical revelation-ask the 900 people who perished under the false prophet jim jones-they never consulted the written word that stands sure.
Faye Rod's comment on 2015-01-11 22:51:10:
When people use this Scripture to say the gifts have ceased it really quenches the Holy Spirit. Imagine how it would be if the Body of Christ was operating in the full power of the early Church.
Evalena Latham's comment on 2014-04-01 21:07:36:
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path. He is the Perfect One.
Terry's comment on 2014-03-16 17:28:05:
To expand on Jeff s comment a little bit I would offer the following In this verse the noun is in the nominative case identifying the subject that which is perfect it is singular the only thing in view here perfect tense when it has come it will keep on being perfect active voice we will be benefitted by it subjunctive mood not yet completed but will be in time and it IS neuter gender must be some thing not a person The same grammatical construct is found in James 1 25 the completed canon of scripture the mind of Christ
J Merriweather's comment on 2013-12-30 16:17:25:
1Corinthians 13:10 are not talking about the completion of the new testament.When the Bible speaks about itself it says according to the scriptures' or it say the Word of God or Word.That which is perfect is when the Lord Jesus return to earth and set up his kingdom. And when he rule for ever and ever than that which is perfect will be here.
Jeff's comment on 2013-10-28 12:42:58:
I believe 1cor 13:10 the perfect is refering to the word of God because in the greek its in the neutered term meaning not male or female its fer to object not a person and that OBJECT is God's word and for bills answer the cross referece is james 1:25Com
Timothy Wayne George's comment on 2013-10-26 13:31:01:
Thank God for Jesus, for He is the holy, harmless, undefiled Lamb of God, who when He returns for His bride, the Church that will be without spot or blemish, will be perfected at His coming. When we see Jesus, we will be just like Him, entire sanctification. Spiritual gifts will be done away with, because we will be face to face with the Savior forever.
Dewayne's comment on 2013-08-15 18:59:29:
I don't feel it makes any difference what it means. I believe that Pentacostal people love Jesus just as much as baptist or the Church of Christ. I think its a shame that we let verses like this divide us. We are all the body of Christ. If people can get the gifts, more power to them, but if they can't oh well. I have never spoken in tongues, but I do know for sure I have the Holy Spirit. He manifests himself to me in other ways. Maybe some people need more signs than others. I am confident in my salvation. I love all people and I think it's time to quit arguing about things that we can't prove and concedntrate on the more important issues in the Bible like spreading the Gospel. We are our on worst judges as Christians. United we stand, divided we fall.
hesbon odongo's comment on 2013-07-09 08:11:02:
My belief is that God's word is perfect, the Bible is God's word. Therefore the Bible is that which is perfect and came into being or completion with the completion of the scriptures.
Larry Kinsler's comment on 2013-05-04 03:50:24:
There is absolutely nothing in the context of 1 Corinthians 13 that suggests " that which is perfect" is the completed New Testament. This is an arbitrary conclusion from man that continues to be believed by virtually everyone in the Church today; tradition over the Truth. The context does suggest that this will be when we are fully saved and have our glorified bodies. At this time we will be with Christ. We certainly will not need the gifts mentioned in the previous chapter at this time. While we will not need to practice these spiritual gifts, we will continue to carry love in our hearts, hence the emphasis on " charity " in this chapter. This is the only logical interpretation that will fit the context here.
laxmi hada's comment on 2012-12-14 22:18:40:
Claude Byrd's comment on 2012-07-10 05:55:50:
What does the word perfect mean in scripture? But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it--he will be blessed in what he does.(James 1:25). Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." (Matthew 19:21) Does the perfect here means something different than the perfect used in 1st Corinthians 13:10? What is the perfect law of liberty? What was Jesus referencing when he told the rich young ruler if thou would be perfect go sell all that you have and come follow me. Could perfect mean complete? I'm just saying! Sometimes we make things more difficult than they should be! My feeling or my opinion is fruitless when it comes to the word of God. Solomon said in Proverbs 16:25 "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." In Matthew 7:24 Jesus said these words "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock." The Hebrew writer said in Hebrews 5:8-9 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,
Hear (Mt 7:24), believe (Jn 8:24) repent (Lk 13:3,5) confess (Acts 8:37) and be baptized for the remission of your sins, (Acts 2:38, 8:12, acts 22:16)
msrobynkyle's comment on 2012-01-31 07:19:30:
1 Corinthian 13 in its entirety is speaking about the attributes of love. 10 says, 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
When real, perfect love, the love of the Father for us through Christ is shown in ours lives anything fake, unreal is done away with.
I know it is simplistic but...
Bill's comment on 2012-01-05 13:15:49:
I have never had piece when it comes to the teaching that proclaims that the "perfect" is the finalization of the canon of scripture. For one thing, it's a bit of a reach to state such a thing when there are virtually no other verses to support this notion. I believe the "perfect" being referenced in this verse is none other than the 2nd coming of our Lord. A verse which supports this is 1 Corinthians 1:7. I'm surprised no one has ever tied this verse into the discussion as it clearly reveals how long the gifts are to be used to edify the body of Christ.
"So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"