“As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”
King James Version (KJV)
Acciah's comment on 2020-05-24 08:15:06:
Lorin,
Predestined and chosen are not the same thing. The Israelites were chosen. But if you read scripture, they weren't chosen in a predestination sort of way. GOD told them why they were chosen. He did it in remembrance of his promise to their ancestors.
Deuteronomy 7:6-8 King James Version (KJV)
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Acciah's comment on 2020-05-24 07:58:49:
Art,
Keep in mind that GOD is not restricted by time as we are. GOD knows and sees our beginning from our end. Remember that he told Jeremiah: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew thee". GOD said "I knew thee"..He knew the type of character ESAU would be throughout and at the end of his life.
We have free will. GOD knows how we're going to use it.
Etta's comment on 2020-05-07 22:13:10:
Respectfully,
The Bible says, that ALL who call on the name of the LORD shall be saved, Jews, Greek, and the rest of us Gentiles alike, were grafted in to the Vine, which is Jesus (John 15). As for predestination, gives the omniscient God the final say in the lives of mankind, (the all knowing, all seeing God knows who is His), in other words, it's a heart issue.
Jesse's comment on 2020-05-07 09:25:57:
Art,
I don't think Romans 9:13 has anything to do with predestination or salvation. God doesn't determine ahead of time who will or will not be saved. He knows who will receive Him and who will reject Him. Predestination is never associated with salvation in the bible. You will always see the word associated with those who are already saved. It's what has been predestined or chosen for us as part of our inheritance. Predestination in the bible never has anything to do with predestinating people for Heaven or Hell. It's never used that way.
Every time the word predestinated is used in the scriptures; it always makes reference to part of our inheritance in Christ. If He did not choose me and predestine me to be holy and without blame before Him in His love, I'd never be able to stand before Him. But I've received Christ as part of my inheritance.
Christ died for everybody. He knows ahead of time who will receive Him. He never forces anybody to receive Him or reject Him. Because I am in Christ, I have been predestined by God to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren, that is, the head of the body of Christ, as He is.
As far as free will goes, you're going to upset a lot of "free-willies" here if you are telling them that they don't have a free will. Everyone has free will, and as long as they live in a body of flesh, they will always have that free will. But what is free will attached to, your flesh or your spirit?
It is the flesh that has free will. But God could care less about our flesh. He didn't save our flesh. He saved our spirit, our soul. Our flesh will NEVER submit to the things of the Lord because it will always be in opposition to Him. But our spirit, our soul, as Paul says, we are slaves to Jesus Christ. No free will when it comes to our soul. Our soul is saved forever if Christ is in us. He does not give us eternal life. He gives us Himself, and He is eternal life. That's why we have eternal life!
Lorin's comment on 2020-05-07 00:46:03:
Yes the Israelites are predestined it would appear
Etta's comment on 2020-05-06 22:01:19:
First, this verse isn't talking about physical birth but spiritual adoption, when looking at verse 3 through verse 5.
[3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertained the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.]
We must be careful in taking a single verse out of Scripture out of context, and yes, God IS infinite, and all knowing, this Scripture isn't talking about His supremacy, nor even predestination, but the grace and mercy of God.
Adam's comment on 2020-05-06 21:01:08:
Hi Art, I'm not seeing anything about predestination in that verse or the chapter. What did you read that led you to draw that conclusion? Does God not give people freewill?
Art's comment on 2020-05-06 15:05:33:
What God is telling us here is that we don't really have a free will. We come predestined - our lives determined in advance by divine will or fate.
Deaconess kemi Nuga's comment on 2015-08-10 01:19:02:
Exactly what you thought. Nobody can question God. He knew what both of them were capable of doing even their descendants as well.
LaToya's comment on 2014-03-25 15:45:34:
God didnt love everybody in the Bible. That scripture makes it clear especially about Esau.
Terry King's comment on 2013-12-18 11:07:15:
I think the scripture means exactly what it says. It does not say that it wasn't speaking about the two as individuals. It calls them by name. In fact it does not say anything at all about the descendants, however I feel that this certainly is true. For we have seen both at enemy with each other for thousands of years now. Why can't people just believe God's word? Why do they have to insert man made doctrine. My advise is just read and believe Gods word and understand the final warning to man at the end of the Holy Bible to people who change (add to, or take away) the true words of God. The true word of God has no copywrite in the front of the bible. In fact, God wants us to spread that word by mouth, or written. Anyway that we can is ok with Him. Try using the other versions and if you take donations or receive any money for your publications prepare to go to court and be sued. God himself has preserved the true Word of God until this day, and even though it is far down the list on all other versions that pop up when using Google search, I am convinced that it is for settled in Heaven and will stand the test of time. It makes me sick when anyone tries to tell me a scripture does not mean exactly what it says.
Nevertheless, I love you and pray that the Lord will bless you.
Philipo!'s comment on 2013-12-06 11:55:05:
They haven't been born,yet God has known what will happen. Truly God is an unquestionable God