“But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.”
King James Version (KJV)
GiGi's comment on 2023-08-20 17:29:08:
Continued.
So, if my understanding is correct, Gad and Reuben were not asking to inhabit land outside of what was promised to Abraham. If I am wrong in my understanding and the great river is the Jordan, then these tribes did not want to possess the land promised, but found the land adjacent to Canaan favorable for cattle. If this is the case, then it may seem like they made a decision similar to Lot, who chose land east of the Jordan river also which eventually brought much vexation to him due to the sinfulness of the inhabitants who worshipped idols and were sexually immoral. Will Gad and Reuben run into a similar vexation as Lot?
And it doesn't say when the half-tribe of Manasseh joined up with Gad and Reuben, but perhaps this was a given if all three were cattle ranchers.
I, for one, do not want to settle for less than what God has promised to those who of us who live by faith like Abraham. I don't want to stop short of receiving the fullness of deliverance and redemption from the kingdom of evil, the forgiveness of ALL my sins, and salvation from the wrath of God for my sin. I want to receive the "place" Jesus promised He was going to the Father to prepare us who follow Him. I want to receive the full inheritance as an adopted child of God. Therefore, I do not want to fall short in any way.
We shall see if these tribes actually made a decision that was based on the lead of God or by their own wisdom. Perhaps God intended this to be so that the eastern flank adjacent to Canaan was protected as a buffer from the strong nations in this eastern section or even farther eastward beyond the Euphrates. Maybe these tribes that raised cattle did need this expanse of land to have enough grazing land that was naturally replenished with forage for their cattle. Perhaps cattle need far more range for grazing than sheep or goats. Cattle on the west side of the Jordan would leave too little land for the remaining tribes to raise their crops and herds.
GiGi's comment on 2023-08-20 17:12:58:
In this chapter we find that the tribes of Reuben and Gad saw that land around where the Israelites were camped east of the Jordan River was excellent for raising cattle. They approached Moses to ask if it was possible for them to take possession of this newly conquered land as their inheritance. Moses was concerned about the effect of this decision on the whole of Israel as it seems that Gad and Reuben were willing to settle for less than the land in Canaan. Moses referred back to the time of the spies sent to assess the land of Canaan and how this bad report affected the faith of the people, causing them to disbelieve that the land promised would be best for them. This disbelief led to the nation wandering in the wilderness for forty years instead of entering the land at the time of the spying. The generation who came out of Egypt died in the wilderness being disinherited by God for their disbelief. The next generation is now on the brink of entering the promised land once again. Moses is concerned that the actions of Gad and Reuben will discourage the other tribes from entering and conquering the peoples in order to possess the land promised to Abraham.
Moses also is concerned that the members of the tribes of Gad and Reuben will not accompany the other tribes into Canaan and participate in warring against the inhabitants of Canaan to take the land for their brethren. The tribes of Reuben, Gad, and the half tribe of Manasseh promise to go into the land with the other tribes as warriors, but their wives, children and cattle will be secured in the land east of the Jordan in fenced cities that will keep their families safe. Moses agreed to this plan but warned these tribes how breaking their promise to fight with their brethren would be sinful and would bring judgment from God upon them.
I'm not sure, but I remember that Abraham was promised the land he saw in all directions including east to the great river, which was the Euphrates. I may be wrong on this.
GiGi's comment on 2023-08-19 13:30:42:
to continue---Moabites were the occupants of this land and Midianites, being nomadic, traversed in this land for portions of the year. Just as the Edomites were a mix of Ishmaelites and Esauites, Moab and Midian must have been mixed together and/or mixed with Ishmaelites and/or Esauites, too. All of these peoples from Ishmael, Midian, Esau, and Moab were related to the Israelites. But yet, they did not follow after Abraham and Jacob concerning faith in YHWH.
AS a result of the victory of this war, Israel had plundered the dwellings of the Midianites and taken all of the valuable jewelry, gold objects, herds of livestock and other materials that would be valuable to them as they entered the land.
God required a portion of this plunder to be given as a tithe to the Levites and as a heave offering to the LORD (which was not burnt on the altar, but offered to Him and then possessed by the priests. Even a portion of the children were given as a tithe, perhaps to be servants of the Levites and priests. The remaining children (all female) were then absorbed into the life of the Israelites as servants, slaves, or "adopted" by a family as if a child from them.
The men who had gone to war and killed others were required to separate from the congregation for 7 days and go through ceremonial cleansing of their bodies, clothing, weapons, etc. All of the plunder was also to be cleansed first with fire, if the material could be refined by fire, and then by water, or only by water if fire would consume the item. All this was done according to the word of the LORD so that the people would be cleansed from the taking of life and damages of war. Even though God had sent them to war and it was not sinful for them to kill the Midianites, God most likely wanted the Israelites to understand that the shedding of blood and taking of life is a big deal. Perhaps God wanted to prevent them from developing a blood-thirsty attitude but to have an obedient and reverent one instead.
Victor's comment on 2021-04-09 18:58:20:
please don't say sorry, Chris. You are so helpful and I have learned so much from you.
God be with you!
Chris's comment on 2021-04-09 16:20:17:
I'm sorry Victor, I can't answer your question. I've tried to research it, but I'm not even able to learn who were the leaders of those tribes (apart from their original name-sakes). All we know, as stated earlier, that the east part of the Jordan was apparently very fertile & well grassed, so it appears that Reuben, Gad & the half-tribe of Manasseh were more inclined to rear cattle & sheep. So maybe the division of Manasseh was dependent on those who pursued this occupation, rather than of a specific sub-family tree within Manasseh that decided to stay there.
Tribe of Manasseh descendants's comment on 2021-04-09 14:41:18:
Manasseh, one of the 12 tribes of Israel that in biblical times comprised the people of Israel. The tribe was named after a younger son of Joseph, himself a son of Jacob.
After the Exodus from Egypt and the death of Moses, the Israelites entered the Promised Land under the leadership of Joshua, who assigned a territory to each of the 12 tribes. The tribe of Manasseh settled in central Palestine-some to the east, some to the west of the Jordan River. When the independent kingdom of Israel, established by the 10 northern tribes after the death of King Solomon (10th century BC), was conquered by the Assyrians in the late 8th century BC, many Israelites were carried off into slavery. In time the tribe of Manasseh was assimilated by other peoples and thus became known in legend as one of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. Among the most illustrious members of the tribe of Manasseh was Gideon, a fearless warrior who served as judge for 40 years.
Victor's comment on 2021-04-09 11:19:04:
do we know which half tribe of Manasseh stays at east side, which half at west side of river Jordan?
thanks again!
Chris's comment on 2021-03-28 00:38:49:
Even though it isn't declared in Numbers 32 that the half-tribe of Manasseh asked for the land to the east of the Jordan, it is understood that they did, as Numbers 32:33 indicate that Reuben, Gad & the half-tribe of Manasseh were given the land on the proviso that they first helped their brethren in the battle to capture the land to the west of the Jordan.
However, a Jewish commentator has seen this differently. He refers to Genesis 48:21,22 when he believes that this decision for the half-tribe of Manasseh to remain on the other side was based on the promise by Israel to Joseph "to give one portion above thy brethren". So he sees this as Moses' decision & not a wish on Manasseh's part. Whatever the truth of the matter, the half-tribe didn't seem to object to it, as that area "was a place of cattle" (Numbers 32:1) & so it seemed to be a wise decision for their prosperity, as was for Reuben & Gad.
Victor's comment on 2021-03-27 08:55:09:
Why half of Manasseh tribe was settled outside of Cannan? They didn't ask for it.
Job's comment on 2020-03-16 18:20:03:
17 rnNow therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. How would they know if the women were virgins or not? And why kill the little ones? Seems to be overkill to me. Only the young girls was not killed?
Okoli Samuel Tochukwu's comment on 2014-01-12 18:36:02:
Always remember that there is nothing secret that shall not be made manifest.even your secret sin will locate you out one way or the other.