“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;”
King James Version (KJV)
Chris's comment on 2021-06-23 22:10:27:
Hi Gaudencio. What you wrote, "We believed GOD is all knowing with infinite knowledge", is indeed the very Truth that all of life on Earth is hinged upon. Since He knows the beginning from the end, with Whom there is no beginning nor end, then He must see all of His creation (including mankind & his behaviour) in that complete perspective. So what we maybe ignorant of by asking, 'why did God allow this or that, or couldn't He have prevented something from happening', is immaterial when one already sees the complete picture. We could never see it, but God has & planned for it.
If God then created mankind to enjoy His Presence & live in a sin-free condition (as in Genesis chapters 1 & 2), it should be normal to expect God to engineer man's affairs in such a way to bring about the same sin-free, God-glorifying state which man had lost at the first (as in Revelation chapters 21 & 22). The fact that we sinned was not a surprise to God - just as the institution of the sacrificial system & finally sending His ultimate Sacrifice for mankind, was no sudden last-minute decision. God knows, that if His Love is so great & is unfathomable by us, then it has never been in His Mind to annihilate us, but to preserve us to an holy, eternal life in His Presence. What we lost to the Devil, we have now gained in Christ Jesus.
Yet, the mystery of the Gospel still has to go out, that lost, erring souls might be saved & be made new by God's Spirit. For if they still reject God's Provision & spurn His Love to be restored to a perfect state (fully at that last day), then only God's judgement & rejection awaits them (Revelation 20:15). So why were Adam & Eve tested? That they might know that after they had disobeyed God, that there is still a God of Love in Heaven Who has the capacity to continue to love & provide for them. And that Love, as all love, requires a response to be made complete.
Adam's comment on 2021-06-23 18:10:08:
Hello, this is a common question, but I think includes a false assumption.
It sounds like the question is if God is all knowing He should already know all outcomes and what's the point of everything, like life and our 'choices'?
I think what is wrong with this question is we assume God is a certain way and if it doesn't comform to our narrow understanding then we think something must be wrong.
Here's another way to look at the question: If God is all powerful, doesn't He have the power to let us have choices? If God is all powerful, can't He choose to let things unfold on our timeline and to not need to see into the future for all outcomes?
The Bible gives examples of God changing His mind. It's in the Bible, so either we believe the Bible or not, right?
Exodus 32:14
Jonah 3:10
Genesis 6:6
I've also heard people say things like: if God is all powerful, can't He choose to limit Himself? And if He can, then He's not all powerful, and if he can't, then He's not all powerful. I seriously heard an atheist say this claiming it 'disproves' God, but it's just another human logical fallacy. God is God and He is not confined or limited by our silly little logical shortcomings. We are the ones limited in understanding. 1 Corinthians 1:25
Ronald L Whittemore's comment on 2021-06-23 13:54:53:
GAUDENCIO
Should we believe God created Adam and Eve not knowing what was going to happen? Many say it was free will they had a choice. If that, do we imply God is not in control. The first Adam was a figure of him that was to come. (Romans 5:14) A shadow indeed! There are two Adams in the Bible The first Adam was made a living soul (being) the last Adam a quickening spirit. (1 Corinthians 15:44-49)
"The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven". Here we have Jesus as the second man, we know He was not the second man on earth. 1John.3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Was the first Adams purpose to start humankind or the start of the plan that Jesus, the last Adam finished that Satan could not see. There is very little in the Bible about when Satan rebelled but we know by the book of Job the angels were before this world was created. (Job 29:3-7)
I am sure some will disagree but I believe God placed the first Adam to do His will and it was part of God's plan that was before this world was. (1 Peter 1:19-20) All humans today are descendants of Adam due to the flood, the eight people on the ark came from Adam.
God bless,
RLW
Earl Bowman's comment on 2021-06-23 11:25:29:
Gaudencio, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Romans 8:20 For the creature was made (CREATED) subject to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of HIM who hath subjected the same in HOPE.
God wants Sons and Daughters that are like HIM. He gives us and EXPERIENCE of natural life so we will KNOW GOOD AND EVIL.
Adam and Eve's sin wasn't eating a natural fruit (the tree of THE KNOWLEDGE of good and evil is within us, it's not a natural tree), we were created with a evil heart. With just a little enticement from this heart; that wasn't born of the Spirit, Eve LUSTED.
God TEST every man to bring him to TRUTH. Without ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING. I am your life.
The POWER and LIFE of the Father which lives in the SON was given to him by the Father. The Father then sent HIS SON to recreate all his sons and daughters into THE IMAGE OF GOD. Christ DESTROYS our EVIL heart by TRUTH and MERCY and gives us his HEART(SPIRIT). Everything given to him by the Father HE GIVES TO US.
Man CANNOT BELIEVE this UNTIL:
Philippians 1:29 For unto YOU IT IS GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, not only TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but to suffer for his sake
James 4:3 You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you might consume it upon you lusts.
Few ask GOD TO CAUSE THEM TO BELIEVE HIS WORDS.
Few ask to be GIVEN HIS FAITH.
Without HIM we CAN DO NOTHING.
The Terminal Generation of CHOiCE's comment on 2021-06-23 10:58:24:
I had to read Genesis really slow to pick up on more information.
God made them in His image and likeness. He gave them free will to make choices.
At that time they were spiritually alive, with soul and flesh. Eve could've obeyed God and Not eat the fruit, but she did anyway (her choice). She gave it to Adam (his choice).
God had set time in motion when He said, IN BEGINNING. By Genesis 3:15, Adam had lost his mandate by then. That verse shows the mandate had passed onto Jesus at a future time.
Time and Genealogy had to tick along until Jesus came to earth and was born.
As 2nd Adam, Jesus fulfilled the mandate on the Cross by dying for the sins of all mankind. He crushed Satan's head (power).
Satan was a Created Angel; and he has an evil will. He craved Gods glory and still thinks he can win by destroying everything and everyone God loves.
We still have Free Will. We can choose to follow God and his Son Jesus; or follow Satan; or wander off till we die and must await the Great White Throne Judgment that God will officiate. Everyone at that judgement will understand that they chose (free will) hell, by not choosing anything at all.
Romans 1, says that we are without excuse by not perceiving the reality of God. We didn't choose God. We made up excuses. Our choices determine our eternal location:
Heaven or Hell.
Nowadays, everyone screams for CHOICES. Well God gave us that right. We can choose everything EXCEPT God and find our conscious souls, eternally locked up with an insane creature that Hates God and people who chose nothing and ended locked up with Satan. No paradise, no Abrahams Bosom, just eternal suffering.
Time is almost up. Matthew 24 is coming to life. We see the signs everywhere. Pestilence means Pandemic, in 2021. Memorize those SIGNS.
There's a link out on the red link page, that says, Become A Christian.
Time is ticking down to zero. Act on your choice.
Mishael
GAUDENCIO SUMILANG SANTOS's comment on 2021-06-23 03:24:24:
This question has been in my mind for a long time now,
Here is my question, We believed GOD is all knowing with infinite knowledge. Did GOD know already that our first parents will committed disobedience to GOD before HE tested them? If GOD know from the beginning that EVE and ADAM will fall into the temptation of Satan, why GOD still want to test them? Why GOD did not STOP to test them, even though GOD know already that our first parents will be fall into sin?