“And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
King James Version (KJV)
bob Hilt's comment on 2020-07-09 22:44:47:
So who said this and to who was this directed to?
Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews
Then answered the Jews
Then answered the Jews
pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL. Obviously not all of them
So is Jesus is an antisemite?
It was Jesus who condemned, not me.
1 TIMOTHY 1 To Bob H's comment on 2020-07-09 22:37:19:
that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than GODLY EDIFYING which is in faith: so do.
Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
I've been around 7 months; almost every day. Your learned, know many things; but frequently if not daily you display the same arguments. That do not follow with what others are discussing in the room.
It is centered around exposing, disgust against Jewish worship , hatred of ancient Jewish practices, condemnation, You accuse them regularly for crucifying Jesus regularly, etc.
Enough. We've heard this every day. It is unedifying for anyone. You are an educated scholar to be sure, BUT I do not perceive the Holy Spirit's approval on this kind of "preaching" every day. I think you could use your knowledge of the Bible to help people that come into this room with real questions about other subjects; about life; how to study the Bible.
This is NOT how the Holy Spirit teaches. I'd be dead with the wicked dead if it was. The Holy Spirit comes alongside. He CONVICTS the sinner of sin so he is able to repent and pray for forgiveness. Holy Spirit does not bludgeon the sinner into submission! He is the express Love of Jesus Christ. He Teaches mysteries so we can understand why everything that happened with Jesus as
Happened through prophesies.
What you teach is not like Jesus. He said to heal the sick, cleanse the leper's, proclaim liberty to captives: preach the GOSPEL.
You don't do that. Please change. We love you no matter what. I do.
David's comment on 2020-07-09 07:30:22:
Thanks Chris. The devil playing head games with me
Chris's comment on 2020-07-08 23:10:13:
David, that could sound confusing, unless one understands the word 'firstborn'. If that verse stated that Jesus was the first to rise from the dead, then there would be a problem, as you correctly pointed out.
However, when this word 'firstborn' is applied to Jesus (as in Rom 8:29, Col 1:15, Col 1:18), we see the Gk word 'prototokos' = first to give birth to used (& so we have the word, prototype, as an example). This word, prototokos signifies that Jesus was the first, in a following series of events/instances, to usher in something new. So here in Col 1:18, Jesus was the first to be raised in a changed body outfitting Man & mankind for residence in Heaven. So Jairus' daughter or Lazarus had their physical life restored after death - their bodies remained the same with their hearts & lungs now functioning & they went back to their normal lives: they weren't in anyway resurrected in the same manner Jesus was said to be resurrected.
In Rom 8:29, we see Jesus here as the 'forerunner or precursor' to the new Man (i.e. God & Man as One): & this is the way we are now through our new birth having God the Spirit indwelling us.
And in Col 1:15, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature". Here, the reference is to both Creation (v 16) & the Church (v 18), where Jesus is seen as existing before all creation (our forerunner) & indeed was also the Creator of the worlds & the Church.
But as a side note, the JWs change the word 'firstborn' in Col 1:15 to 'protokitises' = first created. This they do because their doctrine only allows for a 'created' Jesus outside of the Deity (therefore negating the Triune God) & not 'firstborn' which applies to birth/coming forth from the Godhead.
David's comment on 2020-07-08 10:27:21:
Its probably the devil irritating me but there was a little girl Jesus raised up from the dead then Lazarus and this was done before Jesus died and was resurrected so how is Jesus the first born of the dead ?
KrstnLady's comment on 2011-02-01 10:23:36:
He is the Body and He has one body; there fore He has One Church. And it is called the "Church of Christ." The body of Christ.